Bears Week 8 @ Cowboys, Sunday 10/30 1pm

[WrigleyField 22]

Romeo Doubs went 61 picks after Velus Jones Jr and I think he'd be the Bears second best WR.

[UK]

I wouldn't spend resources on a TE. Kmet is fine. He's been asked to pass protect a ton because of the OL issues and the need to move the pocket for Fields (which is because of OL issues and Fields' strengths). Kmet has been up and down as a blocker, but it would be nice to be able to use him as an actual receiving option instead of a 6th lineman/checkdown option.

 

Agreed, Kmet is a bust given his draft position but he's average among NFL TEs.

 

My goal would be draft a WR in the 1st, Interior OL in the 2nd, HB in the 3rd.

 

Sign Orlando Brown and Deron Payne as FAs.

 

That would be my primary moves of the offseason.

[raw]

I wouldn't spend resources on a TE. Kmet is fine. He's been asked to pass protect a ton because of the OL issues and the need to move the pocket for Fields (which is because of OL issues and Fields' strengths). Kmet has been up and down as a blocker, but it would be nice to be able to use him as an actual receiving option instead of a 6th lineman/checkdown option.

 

Agreed, Kmet is a bust given his draft position but he's average among NFL TEs.

 

My goal would be draft a WR in the 1st, Interior OL in the 2nd, HB in the 3rd.

 

Sign Orlando Brown and Deron Payne as FAs.

 

That would be my primary moves of the offseason.

 

I don't think Brown is a fit. Mentioned wanting smaller, quick linemen. Plus he wants top of the league LT money when hr should be at RT and isn't even the best there.

 

Payne would be a dream. Makes the whole DL much better and thus makes LBs better.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Payne would be perfect for that secondary

[WrigleyField 22]

As mentioned before Elgton Jenkins makes sense in OL and likely to hit market. McGlinchey also has a chance to hit market, but he's more an elite run blocker and more good pass blocker, when I'd rather be getting a elite pass blocker if I'm paying FA tackle money, which I'm sure he'd get on the open market.

 

Jawaan Taylor is a guy I don't know a lot about but PFF grades him as a good pass blocker but below average run blocker.

 

Every other tackle looks like more questionable as upgrades or on older end, but wouldn't put past Poles to get his guy to replace Borom (who would be a great swing T)

 

Should be plenty of options at C. Hopefully they're not tied to Patrick, though he could stick around as a backup, as it'd be nice to have depth, he's not that expensive, and the Bears have tons of cash.

 

Will then also be interesting to see if/when Whitehair comes back how he plays. I was pretty certain his days were numbered, but not as sure anymore. If they do move on, I think there will be some interesting names, but no really huge names.

 

How does thr draft depth at OL look?

[UK]

I wouldn't spend resources on a TE. Kmet is fine. He's been asked to pass protect a ton because of the OL issues and the need to move the pocket for Fields (which is because of OL issues and Fields' strengths). Kmet has been up and down as a blocker, but it would be nice to be able to use him as an actual receiving option instead of a 6th lineman/checkdown option.

 

Agreed, Kmet is a bust given his draft position but he's average among NFL TEs.

 

My goal would be draft a WR in the 1st, Interior OL in the 2nd, HB in the 3rd.

 

Sign Orlando Brown and Deron Payne as FAs.

 

That would be my primary moves of the offseason.

 

I don't think Brown is a fit. Mentioned wanting smaller, quick linemen. Plus he wants top of the league LT money when hr should be at RT and isn't even the best there.

 

Payne would be a dream. Makes the whole DL much better and thus makes LBs better.

 

I'm not big on Jenkins at T, I'm torn between Conklin and Brown as far as the good not great options at T.

[UK]

As mentioned before Elgton Jenkins makes sense in OL and likely to hit market. McGlinchey also has a chance to hit market, but he's more an elite run blocker and more good pass blocker, when I'd rather be getting a elite pass blocker if I'm paying FA tackle money, which I'm sure he'd get on the open market.

 

Jawaan Taylor is a guy I don't know a lot about but PFF grades him as a good pass blocker but below average run blocker.

 

Every other tackle looks like more questionable as upgrades or on older end, but wouldn't put past Poles to get his guy to replace Borom (who would be a great swing T)

 

Should be plenty of options at C. Hopefully they're not tied to Patrick, though he could stick around as a backup, as it'd be nice to have depth, he's not that expensive, and the Bears have tons of cash.

 

Will then also be interesting to see if/when Whitehair comes back how he plays. I was pretty certain his days were numbered, but not as sure anymore. If they do move on, I think there will be some interesting names, but no really huge names.

 

How does thr draft depth at OL look?

 

The Bears will likely have their choice between Johnson of OSU and the T from Northwestern as the best T of the draft. It's pretty weak in terms of T.

[Bertz]

ESPN gave Fields a QBR of 72.1 for today, which is really good. 70+ is usually where the elite QBs live. And it looks like he's averaging just under 60 over the last 4 games. For reference, if that was his full season number he'd rank 9th between Jalen Hurts and Derek Carr for the year.

 

For the full season, so not excluding his horrific start, he's now ahead of Zach Wilson and Mac Jones and only a few points behind Trevor Lawrence.

 

Coming into today the Bears next three opponents ranked 20th, 31st, and 32nd in defensive DVOA. If he's truly leveled up this should probably where he starts piling up some significant raw yards and TDs.

[UMFan83]

 

^^ O’Sullivan who was pretty effusive in his praise for Fields last week. Also doesn’t seem likely he’s doing a Bears video this week unfortunately.

[Derwood]

Is Marvin Harrison Jr draft eligible this year?

[raw]

Is Marvin Harrison Jr draft eligible this year?

 

Nope. True Sophomore

[raw]

I've laid out my ideas a little bit in this or past threads. I don't think Braxton Jones or Lucas Patrick are going anywhere. Jones was handpicked by this regime of former OL players. He's played OK, potential to get better. Patrick was also signed by this regime. He's been really bad, but I can definitely see them writing off this season as being moot since he lost camp with the broken hand, then played part time, then played LG, then only got 10 snaps at his intended position until he got injured again. Maybe he comes back this year and is terrible at C and they move on, but you're likely talking about only 4-5 games at most when he's eligible to come back. So, I do think they'll bring him back with a chance to start fresh at C.....like it or not.

 

But I'd go hard after Elgton Jenkins. I know, injury issues, but this regime prioritized familiarity with the system last offseason. Might as well, get someone familiar who is actually really good. Plus he gives the versatility to play several positions on the OL. At this point, I'm thinking RT for Jenkins. Borom is OK, maybe better than Jones, but he wasn't picked by this regime. If Borom wins RT, then Jenkins can start at LG. But I'd also draft the best OL I could find in the top 3 rounds.

 

My offseason:

Cut Whitehair

Tag Roquan, extend Mooney, Jaylon, maybe Gipson (for cash spending purposes)

Give Daron Payne whatever he wants

Sign Elgton Jenkins + a veteran depth piece in case draft doesn't work out

Trade/Sign a WR- If it's trade, I'm thinking more Brandin Cooks or Calvin Ridley, who won't require a 1st or 2nd round pick in return. Maybe Jeudy if his price tag isn't too bad. None of these guys would require an immediate contract extension (Cooks has 2 years left, Jeudy has 2 w/ 5th year option, Ridley a UFA after 2023, but would be taking less than market value after almost 2 years out). If going FA, I'd probably lean Hardman from KC just to run out a track team w/ him, Mooney and Velus (have to go WR 1st then)

 

Draft WR, OL, DE early. LB, CB, RB, maybe TE on Day 3.

[Brian707]

Happiest I felt after a near Trestman burger by the defense yesterday. I will take nothing but these kinds of loses thru the last 9 games if Fields looks like this. Dolphins and Lions on deck at home, lets see what Fields can do.

[Brian707]

Is Marvin Harrison Jr draft eligible this year?

 

 

He will probably be a top 5 pick in 2024, I would assume the Bears won't be a bottom 5 team then

[champaignchris]

Losing 49-29 is more fun than losing 17-6.

 

The kid I’d be aiming for in the draft would be Christian Johnston WR from TCU. Big, athletic. Most projections I’ve seen having him going around 8-12, which is right about where the Bears should be picking.

[gflore34]

Happiest I felt after a near Trestman burger by the defense yesterday. I will take nothing but these kinds of loses thru the last 9 games if Fields looks like this. Dolphins and Lions on deck at home, lets see what Fields can do.

 

If Fields has truly turned a corner, it's not unreasonable to expect good performances and big numbers. Believe he'll still face some pressure because the Bears OL is terrible at pass blocking however, it's not going to be of the variety he faced vs. Washington, New England and Dallas. Not the constant on him with the snap of the ball, he'll get some time.

[WrigleyField 22]

Happiest I felt after a near Trestman burger by the defense yesterday. I will take nothing but these kinds of loses thru the last 9 games if Fields looks like this. Dolphins and Lions on deck at home, lets see what Fields can do.

 

If Fields has truly turned a corner, it's not unreasonable to expect good performances and big numbers. Believe he'll still face some pressure because the Bears OL is terrible at pass blocking however, it's not going to be of the variety he faced vs. Washington, New England and Dallas. Not the constant on him with the snap of the ball, he'll get some time.

Yea OL still an issue, but the one dimensional nature of their passing game hopefully goes over better on worse Ds. May not even make for many more points, but it'd be fun to see a 30 point performance that doesn't require 200 yards rushing and 80 rushing yards from Fields. Not that those things aren't fun necessarily... But a passing game with rhythm is cool too.

[gflore34]

Losing 49-29 is more fun than losing 17-6.

 

The kid I’d be aiming for in the draft would be Christian Johnston WR from TCU. Big, athletic. Most projections I’ve seen having him going around 8-12, which is right about where the Bears should be picking.

 

Think you mean Quentin Johnston, depending on how FA goes they may be looking at OL or DL with the first round and WR with the second round. One of Smith-Njigba, Addison from USC or, Boutte from LSU will probably still be on the board in the second.

[BigSlick]

Couldn’t disagree more that we don’t need to get a TE. Kmet is “fine” but especially with who Fields is and what kind of player he is, I want a tight end with the best hands possible, a guy who’s dependable as hell as a release valve. Kmet has proven he’s not that guy, his hands just aren’t good enough.

[UK]

[UMFan83]

 

Just looking at QBR, 3 of his 6 best QBR performances have come in the last 4 weeks (not including the Rams game last year when he had 85.7 QBR but was 2-2 passing for 10 yards):

 

1. 79.1 - 2022 vs. Minnesota

2. 77.2 - 2021 vs. Detroit

3. 72.5 - 2022 vs. Dallas

4. 72.3 - 2021 vs. San Francisco

5. 64.0 - 2021 vs. Pittsburgh

6. 60.8 - 2022 vs. New England

 

Strangely enough, after these 6 games his next best QBR performance drops to 45.5 (last year vs. GB at home)

[UMFan83]

[minnesotacubsfan]

[raw]

Couldn’t disagree more that we don’t need to get a TE. Kmet is “fine” but especially with who Fields is and what kind of player he is, I want a tight end with the best hands possible, a guy who’s dependable as hell as a release valve. Kmet has proven he’s not that guy, his hands just aren’t good enough.

 

I don't think he's proven that he's not a dependable receiver. He's had 20 targets this year in 8 games.

 

Also, this is a Shanahan offensive scheme. This isn't a very TE friendly scheme, unless you have an elite talent at the position like Kittle. The Niners, Rams, Packers, Jets, post Gonzalez Falcons, old school Broncos, all run/ran the scheme and only one with big TE years are the Niners who happen to have a top 2 TE in the league.

 

If you are spending any real money on a TE, you are playing that TE. Not OVER Kmet, but WITH Kmet. This isn't a 2 TE friendly scheme at all. Hell, the Bears have 5 TEs on the roster, the worst WR talent in the league, and STILL aren't throwing to the TEs very much. Get receivers. The player Fields is, is the kind that wants to throw the ball down the field and make big plays. TEs don't make big plays unless they are named Kittle or Kelce. Even the one in question (Gesicki) is only averaging 11.2 per catch, which is great for a TE. But pales in comparison to a non-possession WR.

[gflore34]

Couldn’t disagree more that we don’t need to get a TE. Kmet is “fine” but especially with who Fields is and what kind of player he is, I want a tight end with the best hands possible, a guy who’s dependable as hell as a release valve. Kmet has proven he’s not that guy, his hands just aren’t good enough.

 

I don't think he's proven that he's not a dependable receiver. He's had 20 targets this year in 8 games.

 

Also, this is a Shanahan offensive scheme. This isn't a very TE friendly scheme, unless you have an elite talent at the position like Kittle. The Niners, Rams, Packers, Jets, post Gonzalez Falcons, old school Broncos, all run/ran the scheme and only one with big TE years are the Niners who happen to have a top 2 TE in the league.

 

If you are spending any real money on a TE, you are playing that TE. Not OVER Kmet, but WITH Kmet. This isn't a 2 TE friendly scheme at all. Hell, the Bears have 5 TEs on the roster, the worst WR talent in the league, and STILL aren't throwing to the TEs very much. Get receivers. The player Fields is, is the kind that wants to throw the ball down the field and make big plays. TEs don't make big plays unless they are named Kittle or Kelce. Even the one in question (Gesicki) is only averaging 11.2 per catch, which is great for a TE. But pales in comparison to a non-possession WR.

 

The Bears could live with improving the WR room and going with Kmet along with a draft choice. I'm thinking TE is way down on the list of 2023 priorities in comparison to WR, OL and DL.