Bears week 3: Lovie returns noon on CBS

[gflore34]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

 

It's an example of a pitiful, pathetically bad GM, was Pace the worst GM in Bears' history?

[jersey cubs fan]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

.

It's an example of a pitiful, pathetically bad GM, was Pace the worst GM in Bears' history?

He did a hell of a lot better than his predecessor

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Won't vouch for the rest of the thread, but the first post in this thread is pretty telling -- https://www.chicitysports.com/forum/threads/fields-week-2.90818/

[David]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

 

It's an example of a pitiful, pathetically bad GM, was Pace the worst GM in Bears' history?

 

Not even close (even if you're being pedantic about the GM title)

[WrigleyField 22]

I mean yea, it's always tough to part with multiple first rounders in trades, multiple times (unless you're Les Snead).

 

Snead has had the good sense to accumulate day 3 picks so that they're still a high volume draft team.

 

I'd do the Fields trade all over. Mack... Probably not.

 

But if we are doing the whole transitive property thing on the 1st round pick trades, we ALSO have a disappointing young TE, who is a decent blocker, to show for it. So yea, you know. :?

[gflore34]

I mean yea, it's always tough to part with multiple first rounders in trades, multiple times (unless you're Les Snead).

 

Snead has had the good sense to accumulate day 3 picks so that they're still a high volume draft team.

 

I'd do the Fields trade all over. Mack... Probably not.

 

But if we are doing the whole transitive property thing on the 1st round pick trades, we ALSO have a disappointing young TE, who is a decent blocker, to show for it. So yea, you know. :?

 

Don't know about that, granted going up against Smith was a tough assignment but, he couldn't even manage to occupy a CB on the screen attempt to Mooney.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

 

It's an example of a pitiful, pathetically bad GM, was Pace the worst GM in Bears' history?

 

Not even close (even if you're being pedantic about the GM title)

 

totally agreed. Emry was probably the worst. Hell, there was even a time when the Bears had no GM

[champaignchris]

Does Lovie receive cheers, or boos, or indifference?

 

I'd cheer. I have positive memories of those teams, and he is the best head coach we've had in a long time. Perhaps that's sad, but it's true.

 

 

probably indifference with some cheers. his years at the U of I weren't great

Yea but no one really cares about U of I Football that much.

 

The Hell you say!?!

 

Kidding. It’s true, I know.

 

The few of us out there mostly view him dimly. Personally, I think history will be kinder towards his U of I tenure. He took over a smoking dumpster fire car crash of a football program after the Beckman player abuse scandal and transformed it into a merely conventionally bad college football team.

[Derwood]

 

 

Its like some "Evil Twin" horsefeathers

[Soul]

I like the bearded look better.

[minnesotacubsfan]

beard is legit....biblical you might say

[minnesotacubsfan]

also I miss the Lovie Bears years..and the man himself really

[Soul]

 

It's an example of a pitiful, pathetically bad GM, was Pace the worst GM in Bears' history?

 

Not even close (even if you're being pedantic about the GM title)

 

totally agreed. Emry was probably the worst. Hell, there was even a time when the Bears had no GM

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

[Derwood]

I like the bearded look better.

 

I didn't say which one was the evil one

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Not even close (even if you're being pedantic about the GM title)

 

totally agreed. Emry was probably the worst. Hell, there was even a time when the Bears had no GM

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

Not to defend the Bears per se, but that used to be more common. The GM role also changed a lot in the past 30 years and became highly player personnel/scouting focused with the advent of the salary cap in the mid 90s. But I don't think the Bears were the last team to adopt a GM title (or reestablish, after firing Finks).

 

A funny alternative history maybe exists where Michael doesn't eff up the McGinnis hiring and stays on as Pres until 2011, when George replaced him. Phillips never becomes CEO and they operate old-school with no GM even longer than they did.

 

But Michael gets demoted and Phillips first big moves as CEO/Pres are the Soldier Field deal and hiring Angelo as GM. Angelo then tries recruiting Saban who turns him down mostly because he wanted GM duties. IIRC, Lovie was seen as like 3rd choice behind Saban and someone else. Fun sequence of events leading to a failed McGinnis hiring and then the best stretch of the Bears in the past 30 years.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

totally agreed. Emry was probably the worst. Hell, there was even a time when the Bears had no GM

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

Not to defend the Bears per se, but that used to be more common. The GM role also changed a lot in the past 30 years and became highly player personnel/scouting focused with the advent of the salary cap in the mid 90s. But I don't think the Bears were the last team to adopt a GM title (or reestablish, after firing Finks).

 

A funny alternative history maybe exists where Michael doesn't eff up the McGinnis hiring and stays on as Pres until 2011, when George replaced him. Phillips never becomes CEO and they operate old-school with no GM even longer than they did.

 

But Michael gets demoted and Phillips first big moves as CEO/Pres are the Soldier Field deal and hiring Angelo as GM. Angelo then tries recruiting Saban who turns him down mostly because he wanted GM duties. IIRC, Lovie was seen as like 3rd choice behind Saban and someone else. Fun sequence of events leading to a failed McGinnis hiring and then the best stretch of the Bears in the past 30 years.

 

Imagine that, first black coach (tied for first) to reach Super Bowl hired as 3rd choice candidate. if that doesn't say something...

[David]

I was (wrongly) very disappointed by the Lovie hire, mainly because it wasn't an offensive guy (sound familiar?). The meatbally nonsense about beating Green Bay being the first goal in his introductory presser didn't make me feel any better. Looking back, I think most misinterpreted what he meant by that but whatever.

 

I was pretty quickly proven wrong and I hope we can say the same for Eberflus.

[UMFan83]

 

totally agreed. Emry was probably the worst. Hell, there was even a time when the Bears had no GM

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

Not to defend the Bears per se, but that used to be more common. The GM role also changed a lot in the past 30 years and became highly player personnel/scouting focused with the advent of the salary cap in the mid 90s. But I don't think the Bears were the last team to adopt a GM title (or reestablish, after firing Finks).

 

A funny alternative history maybe exists where Michael doesn't eff up the McGinnis hiring and stays on as Pres until 2011, when George replaced him. Phillips never becomes CEO and they operate old-school with no GM even longer than they did.

 

But Michael gets demoted and Phillips first big moves as CEO/Pres are the Soldier Field deal and hiring Angelo as GM. Angelo then tries recruiting Saban who turns him down mostly because he wanted GM duties. IIRC, Lovie was seen as like 3rd choice behind Saban and someone else. Fun sequence of events leading to a failed McGinnis hiring and then the best stretch of the Bears in the past 30 years.

 

This made me look back because I don't remember that coaching search too well. Looks like the Bears interviewed Saban, Lovie, Jim Mora Jr, Romeo Crennel, Mike Nolan and Russ Grimm.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

Not to defend the Bears per se, but that used to be more common. The GM role also changed a lot in the past 30 years and became highly player personnel/scouting focused with the advent of the salary cap in the mid 90s. But I don't think the Bears were the last team to adopt a GM title (or reestablish, after firing Finks).

 

A funny alternative history maybe exists where Michael doesn't eff up the McGinnis hiring and stays on as Pres until 2011, when George replaced him. Phillips never becomes CEO and they operate old-school with no GM even longer than they did.

 

But Michael gets demoted and Phillips first big moves as CEO/Pres are the Soldier Field deal and hiring Angelo as GM. Angelo then tries recruiting Saban who turns him down mostly because he wanted GM duties. IIRC, Lovie was seen as like 3rd choice behind Saban and someone else. Fun sequence of events leading to a failed McGinnis hiring and then the best stretch of the Bears in the past 30 years.

 

This made me look back because I don't remember that coaching search too well. Looks like the Bears interviewed Saban, Lovie, Jim Mora Jr, Romeo Crennel, Mike Nolan and Russ Grimm.

 

I think Grimm was #2 and ended up in Washington iirc, or maybe he was from Washington

[raw]

 

God. I remember those days. WTF I can't even believe that happened, even now.

Not to defend the Bears per se, but that used to be more common. The GM role also changed a lot in the past 30 years and became highly player personnel/scouting focused with the advent of the salary cap in the mid 90s. But I don't think the Bears were the last team to adopt a GM title (or reestablish, after firing Finks).

 

A funny alternative history maybe exists where Michael doesn't eff up the McGinnis hiring and stays on as Pres until 2011, when George replaced him. Phillips never becomes CEO and they operate old-school with no GM even longer than they did.

 

But Michael gets demoted and Phillips first big moves as CEO/Pres are the Soldier Field deal and hiring Angelo as GM. Angelo then tries recruiting Saban who turns him down mostly because he wanted GM duties. IIRC, Lovie was seen as like 3rd choice behind Saban and someone else. Fun sequence of events leading to a failed McGinnis hiring and then the best stretch of the Bears in the past 30 years.

 

This made me look back because I don't remember that coaching search too well. Looks like the Bears interviewed Saban, Lovie, Jim Mora Jr, Romeo Crennel, Mike Nolan and Russ Grimm.

 

Wow. Didn't remember those names. I probably wanted Lovie or Romeo, but I really don't know if I had a preference back then

[UMFan83]

Our leading receiving TE is out Sunday (Ryan Griffin), Velus Jones is doubtful, Roquan and Jaylen Johnson are questionable.

 

Dammit Velus needs to get healthy and play.

[gflore34]

Our leading receiving TE is out Sunday (Ryan Griffin), Velus Jones is doubtful, Roquan and Jaylen Johnson are questionable.

 

Dammit Velus needs to get healthy and play.

 

That's too bad about Griffin, who knows, maybe, Kmet will actually catch the ball this Sunday. Watching the film of his dropped pass the other night, gets worse every time I see it, OL executed well, Fields made the correct read and a very good throw. Only to have it...dropped.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Our leading receiving TE is out Sunday (Ryan Griffin), Velus Jones is doubtful, Roquan and Jaylen Johnson are questionable.

 

Dammit Velus needs to get healthy and play.

 

That's too bad about Griffin, who knows, maybe, Kmet will actually catch the ball this Sunday. Watching the film of his dropped pass the other night, gets worse every time I see it, OL executed well, Fields made the correct read and a very good throw. Only to have it...dropped.

honestly, I think the issue is his ONE pass attempt, he dropped

 

 

ONE

[BigbadB]

Getting back to the "when I started watching the Bears" discussion, I'm an old timer. I believe 1973 was my first memories of watching the Bears. Bobby Douglass, Butkus, Doug Buffone and Bobby Joe Green were the names that stand out. I have a Halloween picture of me as a 9 year old in a 3 point stance in my Chicago Bears jersey and helmet costume. Sadly, I just missed the great days of Butkus and Sayers. Not sure when I first saw Brian's Song, but it was sometime during that timeframe that it aired on some broadcast network and I was hooked as a Bears fan. I was watching football by myself at that time on a black and white tv. No one else in my family watched sports then.

 

I did enjoy watching the Miami Dolphins go undefeated that year. I also secretly loved watching Fran Tarkenton scramble and that Minnesota defense was fun. The Purple People Eaters.

[JeffH]

Getting back to the "when I started watching the Bears" discussion, I'm an old timer. I believe 1973 was my first memories of watching the Bears. Bobby Douglass, Butkus, Doug Buffone and Bobby Joe Green were the names that stand out. I have a Halloween picture of me as a 9 year old in a 3 point stance in my Chicago Bears jersey and helmet costume. Sadly, I just missed the great days of Butkus and Sayers. Not sure when I first saw Brian's Song, but it was sometime during that timeframe that it aired on some broadcast network and I was hooked as a Bears fan. I was watching football by myself at that time on a black and white tv. No one else in my family watched sports then.

 

I did enjoy watching the Miami Dolphins go undefeated that year. I also secretly loved watching Fran Tarkenton scramble and that Minnesota defense was fun. The Purple People Eaters.

 

'70s football was great. Not for the Bears, but in general.