Bears week 3: Lovie returns noon on CBS

[David]

The 90's were Eric Kramer on the high side and Alonzo Spellman on the down side. I was never more sad then than the day Trace Armstrong left

I think Cade McNown and Curtis Enis being taken in back to back drafts was the low point of the 90s.

 

Passing on Randy Moss because he overslept for an interview and taking an unhinged RB instead.

 

Sidenote: that was the same year ed lynch decided not to trade todd noel and jon garland for mike piazza (something like that, maybe pat cline was in there too) and then 2 months later traded them for felix heredia and matt karchner

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

[Brian707]

I'm trying to talk myself into picking the Bears in a survivor pool this week. It's so big that it rarely ends in the regular season and it extends into the playoffs. If you don't have any teams left to pick in the post-season you're horsefeathers so you have to win games throughout the season with teams that have no shot at the playoffs. If the Bears can't beat the Texans at Soldier Field we have a huge problem. Yet, I'm concerned that Vegas only has the Bears favored by 2.5-3 points so far.

This is the exact type of game the Bears usually find a way to scratch out, but man oh man would I be nervous picking this Bears offense at this point in time.

 

If you feel you have to use the Bears, then this is the game to use them. Their easiest games after this are on the road (NYG, ATL, NYJ). Easiest remaining home game is either Washington or Detroit. Washington is on a short week and Detroit looks frisky.

 

 

I think Detroit makes the playoffs this year.

[UMFan83]

I think Cade McNown and Curtis Enis being taken in back to back drafts was the low point of the 90s.

 

Passing on Randy Moss because he overslept for an interview and taking an unhinged RB instead.

 

Sidenote: that was the same year ed lynch decided not to trade todd noel and jon garland for mike piazza (something like that, maybe pat cline was in there too) and then 2 months later traded them for felix heredia and matt karchner

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

The Rick Mirer trade was easily one of the most head scratching moves I've ever seen in sports history. I only vaguely remember the trade when it happened but looking back on his numbers before the trade and I cant even begin to make a coherent argument in favor of even considering that trade.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think Cade McNown and Curtis Enis being taken in back to back drafts was the low point of the 90s.

 

Passing on Randy Moss because he overslept for an interview and taking an unhinged RB instead.

 

Sidenote: that was the same year ed lynch decided not to trade todd noel and jon garland for mike piazza (something like that, maybe pat cline was in there too) and then 2 months later traded them for felix heredia and matt karchner

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

I remember all of that, but Spellman actually attacked a flight attendant because he was bi-polar. not that that made him as stupid as the others, it was just depressing as hell to watch his fall. he was a massive dude too.

 

for me, the rest of those trades/players just compound how ugly the 90's were in Chicago

[Brian707]

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

 

Was that the Mark Hatley era?

[UMFan83]

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

 

Was that the Mark Hatley era?

 

Mark Hatley then Jerry Angelo then Phil Emery then Ryan Pace. To think that Angelo was the best of the bunch.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

 

Was that the Mark Hatley era?

 

Mark Hatley then Jerry Angelo then Phil Emery then Ryan Pace. To think that Angelo was the best of the bunch.

Hatley could have arguably been the best but he was in a totally different role as that was the GM-less era. That's where Phillips first started getting noticed by fans because he was directly nixing or okaying trades and stuff when big money was involved. Once he became CEO and hired Angelo, the consensus I gather is ownership gave the GMs leeway to do whatever without have to sign off (obviously within the confines of the cap).

[UMFan83]

Haven't seen any all 22 breakdowns of Fields performance in week 2. Guessing no one wants to touch that one as there are not a ton of positives to mix in with the negatives. I did see this though:

 

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Haven't seen any all 22 breakdowns of Fields performance in week 2. Guessing no one wants to touch that one as there are not a ton of positives to mix in with the negatives. I did see this though:

 

It dovetails with pre-draft chatter that Fields had/has "slow eyes" and was slow and/or ineffective at recognizing defenses, processing the field, going through his progressions, and knowing who's open (and who's not open) and when to throw (and when not to throw). That, at the end of the day, is the fundamental issue, at least from what I can tell by reading and listening to "takes" by various people who know more about football than I do or ever will.

[BigSlick]

Listen, I don't know if it would have made sense to have Lovie Smith continue on as head coach, but in retrospect its wild how we fired him after a 10-6 season where we narrowly missed the playoffs on some real fluke tie-breakers and a competitive field.

 

Did we make a mistake? I have no idea. Lovie had some real blindspots as a coach, but his teams were always well-coached, disciplined, always had great defenses. I don't think we ever would have developed a great offense or QB under him. But we did make a Super Bowl and his tenure has been the sole bright spot since Ditka. Weird times.

 

So I hope he gets cheers.

[Derwood]

People should cheer for his epic beard

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Haven't seen any all 22 breakdowns of Fields performance in week 2. Guessing no one wants to touch that one as there are not a ton of positives to mix in with the negatives. I did see this though:

 

It dovetails with pre-draft chatter that Fields had/has "slow eyes" and was slow and/or ineffective at recognizing defenses, processing the field, going through his progressions, and knowing who's open (and who's not open) and when to throw (and when not to throw). That, at the end of the day, is the fundamental issue, at least from what I can tell by reading and listening to "takes" by various people who know more about football than I do or ever will.

 

 

I think we all know how this goes.

 

He spends the rest of the season sucking but maybe a few bursts of decent-ness in garbage time or against bad defenses. We win some games thanks to defense and Fields' improving+rushing threat.

 

Next season we bring in a veteran backup and talk about how the pressure is on Fields to perform. Veteran backup takes over the job at least once during the season, maybe twice.

 

Before the 2024 season, we draft a new QB prospect to build around. But here's the neat trick. After his first season, we fire Eberflus, and bring in a new head coach, forcing the new QB prospect to learn a new regime in his second season and sticking the new regime with a legacy QB they didn't choose. The cycle continues.

[David]

 

Passing on Randy Moss because he overslept for an interview and taking an unhinged RB instead.

 

Sidenote: that was the same year ed lynch decided not to trade todd noel and jon garland for mike piazza (something like that, maybe pat cline was in there too) and then 2 months later traded them for felix heredia and matt karchner

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

The Rick Mirer trade was easily one of the most head scratching moves I've ever seen in sports history. I only vaguely remember the trade when it happened but looking back on his numbers before the trade and I cant even begin to make a coherent argument in favor of even considering that trade.

 

it could be, without hindsight (and without looking anything up) the dumbest trade in nfl history. traded #11 overall for a guy who was basically ryan leaf or jamarcus russell after 4 years of proving they sucked ass. that's only a slight exaggeration because those guys weren't allowed to play 4 years.

[raw]

IDK if anyone posted this in this or the other thread. But this actually makes me feel really good about Justin.

 

 

Obviously, he's saying a lot of what we want to hear, but it makes a ton of sense.

[WrigleyField 22]

IDK if anyone posted this in this or the other thread. But this actually makes me feel really good about Justin.

 

 

Obviously, he's saying a lot of what we want to hear, but it makes a ton of sense.

Yea. I'm not sure some of his defense of Fields i.e. the missed ESB route is totally legit or not, but the system simplicity stuff, and defining his reads more seems legit. I'm sure that comes with the downside of simplifying the defenses options too, but then that's where you just allow Fields to bail and create outside the pocket and the normal professions.

 

And I loved when he laughed at the question about not having a good bail out target. Like yea, duh, that makes a difference.

[raw]

IDK if anyone posted this in this or the other thread. But this actually makes me feel really good about Justin.

 

 

Obviously, he's saying a lot of what we want to hear, but it makes a ton of sense.

Yea. I'm not sure some of his defense of Fields i.e. the missed ESB route is totally legit or not, but the system simplicity stuff, and defining his reads more seems legit. I'm sure that comes with the downside of simplifying the defenses options too, but then that's where you just allow Fields to bail and create outside the pocket and the normal professions.

 

And I loved when he laughed at the question about not having a good bail out target. Like yea, duh, that makes a difference.

 

Yeah, he looked right at ESB. I think he saw the safety and thought he would make it there by the time he unleashed it. But yeah, I took the same things from it you did.

[gflore34]

IDK if anyone posted this in this or the other thread. But this actually makes me feel really good about Justin.

 

 

Obviously, he's saying a lot of what we want to hear, but it makes a ton of sense.

Yea. I'm not sure some of his defense of Fields i.e. the missed ESB route is totally legit or not, but the system simplicity stuff, and defining his reads more seems legit. I'm sure that comes with the downside of simplifying the defenses options too, but then that's where you just allow Fields to bail and create outside the pocket and the normal professions.

 

And I loved when he laughed at the question about not having a good bail out target. Like yea, duh, that makes a difference.

 

Way too much is being made of Fields not having anyone to throw to, that's not it, unless, you're a complete invalid, you can get open in today' NFL. It's all on Fields, let's see what happens next time Brown puts his arm up and breaks off a route to go long. Would not be surprising if Fields lets it rip and they hit on it for a big gain.

[UMFan83]

If anyone feels like watching some analysis from offensive all 22's from last week:

 

[UMFan83]

 

This makes sense to me. 11 attempts, 3 sacks, 3 scrambles, 1 penalty for throwing ahead of the LOS, maybe 1 RPO opting into a pass. Given how well the run game was performing, a 50/50 split seems fair. Yes the Packers were up big which normally leads to more passing but the Bears were gashing them on that 4th quarter drive with the run and were an inch from being down 7 with plenty of time to get a stop and another drive.

 

The problem is the number of overall offensive plays. 41 offensive snaps is really low and is almost as much on the defense being unable to stop the run (leading to less overall possessions) as it is the offense being unable to get a 1st down.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

This makes sense to me. 11 attempts, 3 sacks, 3 scrambles, 1 penalty for throwing ahead of the LOS, maybe 1 RPO opting into a pass. Given how well the run game was performing, a 50/50 split seems fair. Yes the Packers were up big which normally leads to more passing but the Bears were gashing them on that 4th quarter drive with the run and were an inch from being down 7 with plenty of time to get a stop and another drive.

 

The problem is the number of overall offensive plays. 41 offensive snaps is really low and is almost as much on the defense being unable to stop the run (leading to less overall possessions) as it is the offense being unable to get a 1st down.

I wouldn't be surprised at 50/50 split all year.

 

And whether it was this thread or the week 2 thread, whoever said they should treat Fields like Philly did with Hurts, they were the only team to run at a greater than 50% rate last year. So if that's the goal for "year 1", then okay. But that certainly shouldn't be the long term vision. And the best Os all pass at like 60% rate.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

This makes sense to me. 11 attempts, 3 sacks, 3 scrambles, 1 penalty for throwing ahead of the LOS, maybe 1 RPO opting into a pass. Given how well the run game was performing, a 50/50 split seems fair. Yes the Packers were up big which normally leads to more passing but the Bears were gashing them on that 4th quarter drive with the run and were an inch from being down 7 with plenty of time to get a stop and another drive.

 

The problem is the number of overall offensive plays. 41 offensive snaps is really low and is almost as much on the defense being unable to stop the run (leading to less overall possessions) as it is the offense being unable to get a 1st down.

I wouldn't be surprised at 50/50 split all year.

 

And whether it was this thread or the week 2 thread, whoever said they should treat Fields like Philly did with Hurts, they were the only team to run at a greater than 50% rate last year. So if that's the goal for "year 1", then okay. But that certainly shouldn't be the long term vision. And the best Os all pass at like 60% rate.

 

I'd be surprised if the Bears continue to have tons of success running the ball and still run it 50% of the time. Maybe Getsy is trying to get D's to cheat and put 8 guys in the box, there-by opening up the play action playbook, but that would mean Monty and Herbert are going to have to consistently continue to rap off 12 yrd runs. Otherwise, at their current pace, I dont think any D is going to be too concerned with Justin Fields, the Passer. As an offense (and QB), they just havent shown to be that threatening...yet.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

[UMFan83]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

 

who is the promising rookie safety? Brisker was a 2nd

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Doom boner fun

 

For their last 7 first-round pick, the Bears have a total showing on the current roster of a promising rookie safety, a linebacker that averages 1 turnover and 2.5 sacks per season, and a QB with more career INTs than TDs. That's all.

 

who is the promising rookie safety? Brisker was a 2nd

 

He's part of the Mack trade tree.

 

I triple checked it was him because I really wanted it to be Gordon for maximum doom bonery

[CubinNY]

 

and don't forget the rick mirer trade right before that 98 debacle

 

everyone had stupid FO's back then but ours were HOF stupid

 

 

Was that the Mark Hatley era?

 

Mark Hatley then Jerry Angelo then Phil Emery then Ryan Pace. To think that Angelo was the best of the bunch.

And still may be after Poles is finished.