Week 9 - Bears (3-5) @ Steelers (4-3) on MNF

[Soul]

Hopefully they still fire Nagy and replace him with someone good but I think Fields ascending might limit those embarrassing blowouts on national TV that motivate the McCaskeys to actually do stuff.

Idk, I think Nagy would need to show success in the playoffs this year to stick around, at the very least make the playoffs

 

Never underestimate the McCaskeys capacity to settle on mediocre leadership.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hopefully they still fire Nagy and replace him with someone good but I think Fields ascending might limit those embarrassing blowouts on national TV that motivate the McCaskeys to actually do stuff.

Idk, I think Nagy would need to show success in the playoffs this year to stick around, at the very least make the playoffs

Nah. They just need to show real improvement on offense.

[champaignchris]

Hopefully they still fire Nagy and replace him with someone good but I think Fields ascending might limit those embarrassing blowouts on national TV that motivate the McCaskeys to actually do stuff.

Idk, I think Nagy would need to show success in the playoffs this year to stick around, at the very least make the playoffs

 

Never underestimate the McCaskeys capacity to settle on mediocre leadership.

 

Right. Last season was considered acceptable. Ownership knew the plan was to acquire a young qb starter heading into the season and had to understand there’d be a learning curve. Nothing else about Pace’s and Nagy’s actions this year have indicated a playoffs or bust attitude.

 

I think to return Nagy and Pace just have to sell ownership the idea that Fields has improved enough to take them to the playoffs next year. There’s probably a win threshold they need to get to in order to achieve that, but I don’t think it’s much more than 6 wins.

[gflore34]

Hopefully they still fire Nagy and replace him with someone good but I think Fields ascending might limit those embarrassing blowouts on national TV that motivate the McCaskeys to actually do stuff.

Idk, I think Nagy would need to show success in the playoffs this year to stick around, at the very least make the playoffs

 

Never underestimate the McCaskeys capacity to settle on mediocre leadership.

 

Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place - on one hand Nagy clearly is a terrible coach and should be fired immediately or sooner on the other, is the McCaskeys. They've not shown the ability to find and hire the right GM and HC, I used to think they do not care about winning. Someone suggested it's not they do not care, its they do not know how. On the plus side its beginning to look as if the most important piece is in place the QB. In terms of degree of difficulty the hardest part is done.

[champaignchris]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

[WrigleyField 22]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

[UMFan83]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

[Soul]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

 

Just spit balling here, but I could see the McCaskeys seeing Fields' success as an indicator of Pace's success and keeping him around for awhile longer. We will just have to see what happens.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

 

Just spit balling here, but I could see the McCaskeys seeing Fields' success as an indicator of Pace's success and keeping him around for awhile longer. We will just have to see what happens.

I think this whole draft class even could influence their opinion (it shouldn't). But if Jenkins returns and it looks like Pace just produced a 4 starter draft class including potential All Pro QB, I could see it being a deciding factor.

[David]

[bukie]

One roster spot down, 52 to go.

[David]

One roster spot down, 52 to go.

 

granted, that one is more important than like 95% of the rest of those combined.

[bukie]

One roster spot down, 52 to go.

 

granted, that one is more important than like 95% of the rest of those combined.

I wouldn't know. The Bears have never had that spot nailed down for a while now.

[gflore34]

One roster spot down, 52 to go.

 

granted, that one is more important than like 95% of the rest of those combined.

I wouldn't know. The Bears have never had that spot nailed down for a while now.

 

If that isn't enough imagine a world where the Bears have the superior QB when facing the Packers, Vikings and Lions, its coming, the writing is in the wall.

[Bertz]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

Yeah I think this is right. Nagy is gone, short of some miraculous turnaround the second half of this year. Pace is certainly not on the most solid footing, but if it looks like he got it right with Fields he probably sticks around.

[UMFan83]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

Yeah I think this is right. Nagy is gone, short of some miraculous turnaround the second half of this year. Pace is certainly not on the most solid footing, but if it looks like he got it right with Fields he probably sticks around.

 

Lets talk about this miraculous second half for a second. It's not going to happen but... Bears get an extra week off before playing the Ravens at home. Lets say they win that in an upset due to being at home and extra rest. Then they go to Detroit and win. Now they are 5-6. The next 2 are against GB and Arizona. Probably lose both but lets say they split and are 6-7 with some momentum. Their last 4 games are against sub .500 teams after a ridiculously difficult gauntlet in their first 13. I believe its vs. Minnesota, @Seattle, vs. NYG, @ Minnesota.

 

I guess the counter would be that Minnesota is probably the best 3-5 team we've seen in years...they are actually 11th in DVOA. And while Seattle has some holes they will have Russ back and Seattle is always difficult to play.

 

So yeah they are most likely going 5-12 but there's still a small window with improved play lol. What a ridiculous beast of a schedule this year.

[David]

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I only saw the extended highlights, couldn't watch live, but damn that was the best Fields has looked yet. I'm sold.

[Tim]

I only saw the extended highlights, couldn't watch live, but damn that was the best Fields has looked yet. I'm sold.

damn - we're all doomed.

[raw]

After doing some research I think I'm really coming onto Greg Roman as an option for the Bears HC. He seems to have the most diverse background. Lots of stops and worked with some great staffs, so he should have lots of connections to build a staff. Suits his scheme to his players. Not a system guy, I can't even tell if he comes from a "tree". Obviously he's done amazing work with Lamar and the Ravens O.

 

I think he'd be able to not just fix the O and finish developing Fields, but build a great top to bottom staff.

 

That last part of your last sentence gives him the edge for me right now. He has run a top 3 offense in 2 of the last 3 years. He has some ties to the Fangio defense. And the Ravens are simply the best run franchise in the sport right now. I trust him more to build a great staff than Daboll at this point.

 

The one thing I do worry about with Roman though is he puts a TON on his QB. I know the Ravens RB situation is a mess, but Lamar has almost twice as many carries as anyone else on that team. He had the most carries on the team last year when they had 3 legit and healthy backs.

[raw]

I should add that I am not in any way, shape or form advocating that Nagy and Pace be back next year. I would have canned them both after last season.

 

It just looks to me like they think they’ll be back next year regardless of making the playoffs.

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

 

One rumor going around is that the Bears move Pace up in a director of football operations type of position and potentially hire a GM from within underneath him (Champ Kelly is a popular name here). Part of me really likes this idea. The Bears do actually have a decent scouting department and Kelly is well respected around the league and probably gets some GM interviews this offseason. If the Bears clean house, he won't be jobless for long.

 

Part of me really likes this move. With all going on with a potential new stadium and all Pace has done for the off-field product (Halas Hall), I think some continuity could be a good thing. But also, wouldn't have him as the primary guy selecting his 3rd coach.

[UMFan83]

I think it's TBD if theyre a package deal. I could easily see where Pace is back, in which case I'm sure he'll have full authority to make a move at HC, and I'm sure he would.

 

It's just hard to envision any scenario where Nagy is back. Whether they wait it out til the bitter end or not though, is unknown.

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

 

One rumor going around is that the Bears move Pace up in a director of football operations type of position and potentially hire a GM from within underneath him (Champ Kelly is a popular name here). Part of me really likes this idea. The Bears do actually have a decent scouting department and Kelly is well respected around the league and probably gets some GM interviews this offseason. If the Bears clean house, he won't be jobless for long.

 

Part of me really likes this move. With all going on with a potential new stadium and all Pace has done for the off-field product (Halas Hall), I think some continuity could be a good thing. But also, wouldn't have him as the primary guy selecting his 3rd coach.

 

Is that a legit rumor? I saw someone on twitter talking about this but it was written as if it was an idea they had and not something that was actually rumored.

 

I know that the McCaskey family likes Pace a lot and I'll admit he's done a good bit to modernize the Bears football operations, but I just don't know how it changes anything if he's elevated. Does the new GM have full autonomy over the draft and player moves or would they be Jed to Ryan's Theo? At some point the Bears are going to need draft capital to build around Fields and I think Pace has done a poor job of using his resources efficiently. Because of that, it's hard to look at the Bears future and think that its in good hands with him running the show.

[gflore34]

 

I know decisions certainly not made using logic at Halas Hall but I cant believe they would keep Pace. It's his 6th year and the team has holes all over, is cap strapped and little draft capital. It's great that he got Fields, but you need to take advantage of his rookie contract and the guy that wastes ridiculous amounts of resources is not the guy to do that.

 

One rumor going around is that the Bears move Pace up in a director of football operations type of position and potentially hire a GM from within underneath him (Champ Kelly is a popular name here). Part of me really likes this idea. The Bears do actually have a decent scouting department and Kelly is well respected around the league and probably gets some GM interviews this offseason. If the Bears clean house, he won't be jobless for long.

 

Part of me really likes this move. With all going on with a potential new stadium and all Pace has done for the off-field product (Halas Hall), I think some continuity could be a good thing. But also, wouldn't have him as the primary guy selecting his 3rd coach.

 

Is that a legit rumor? I saw someone on twitter talking about this but it was written as if it was an idea they had and not something that was actually rumored.

 

I know that the McCaskey family likes Pace a lot and I'll admit he's done a good bit to modernize the Bears football operations, but I just don't know how it changes anything if he's elevated. Does the new GM have full autonomy over the draft and player moves or would they be Jed to Ryan's Theo? At some point the Bears are going to need draft capital to build around Fields and I think Pace has done a poor job of using his resources efficiently. Because of that, it's hard to look at the Bears future and think that its in good hands with him running the show.

 

He's done a poor jobs of managing resources and hiring head coaches what does that leave? Are these the primary responsibilities of a GM?

[We Got The Whole 9]

[UMFan83]

 

One rumor going around is that the Bears move Pace up in a director of football operations type of position and potentially hire a GM from within underneath him (Champ Kelly is a popular name here). Part of me really likes this idea. The Bears do actually have a decent scouting department and Kelly is well respected around the league and probably gets some GM interviews this offseason. If the Bears clean house, he won't be jobless for long.

 

Part of me really likes this move. With all going on with a potential new stadium and all Pace has done for the off-field product (Halas Hall), I think some continuity could be a good thing. But also, wouldn't have him as the primary guy selecting his 3rd coach.

 

Is that a legit rumor? I saw someone on twitter talking about this but it was written as if it was an idea they had and not something that was actually rumored.

 

I know that the McCaskey family likes Pace a lot and I'll admit he's done a good bit to modernize the Bears football operations, but I just don't know how it changes anything if he's elevated. Does the new GM have full autonomy over the draft and player moves or would they be Jed to Ryan's Theo? At some point the Bears are going to need draft capital to build around Fields and I think Pace has done a poor job of using his resources efficiently. Because of that, it's hard to look at the Bears future and think that its in good hands with him running the show.

 

He's done a poor jobs of managing resources and hiring head coaches what does that leave? Are these the primary responsibilities of a GM?

 

There are a lot of people that talk up the way he's modernized scouting and facilities while with the Bears. The Bears have drafted better than they did under Emery and Angelo, though it's still not up to par IMO, especially considering the wasted resources. Thus raw's suggestion that he runs Football Operations and hires a GM to do the actual day to day job. But I can't see Pace being in that role and not having a gigantic say in player acquisitions. If Pace wants to trade up for some dude in the draft, he will do so.