Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

Do it Bears. Although I think Watson ends up in San Fran.

SF doesn't seem like the franchise that will stomach an offer like it will take. And like the Bears don't have a top 10 pick. They've apparently said they're sticking with Garopollo.

 

Jets/Miami are still best positioned for Watson, IMO.

 

If Carolina was willing to give up pick #8 for Stafford like reported, they're probably willing to pay the steep price for Watson.

[gflore34]

Starting with 20 i have to believe we would have to go beyond that presumed proposal

 

So 3 firsts + mid rounders + Smith and Nichols/Johnson? I still do it. Just pointing out that that is probably a deal they take from the Jets, but not the Bears.

How do the young D assets of the Jets or Dolphins line up to Smith and Johnson?

 

I don't know, it's kind of tough. Based on the sneak peak we got of the D without Smith and Johnson, I'm not sure the team would be that much better, even with an improved offense. Marginally so perhaps, but they Bears would run low on options to build the D. Are they a division round team instead of a wildcard team, maybe?

 

I don't have the answer to either question but they'd have the most important building block in place. So that alone pushes me into the "dooooooo iiiiiit" camp. You're just never gonna win a ring without one and you're probably not getting one at 20 this year. Although Pace will be 100% willing to trade whatever it takes to get his guy as well being in his last year. Honestly I imagine both teams could put a comparable player pkg together. Tom could probably weigh in on that.

 

That shoulder of Johnson is damn scary to me, as an aside. He flashed star upside no doubt but how often will he actually be available?

 

Personally I don't think we're getting Watson.

 

With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful.

[minnesotacubsfan]

trade up in the draft for mack jones, that's what i fear

[We Got The Whole 9]

How do the young D assets of the Jets or Dolphins line up to Smith and Johnson?

 

I don't know, it's kind of tough. Based on the sneak peak we got of the D without Smith and Johnson, I'm not sure the team would be that much better, even with an improved offense. Marginally so perhaps, but they Bears would run low on options to build the D. Are they a division round team instead of a wildcard team, maybe?

 

I don't have the answer to either question but they'd have the most important building block in place. So that alone pushes me into the "dooooooo iiiiiit" camp. You're just never gonna win a ring without one and you're probably not getting one at 20 this year. Although Pace will be 100% willing to trade whatever it takes to get his guy as well being in his last year. Honestly I imagine both teams could put a comparable player pkg together. Tom could probably weigh in on that.

 

That shoulder of Johnson is damn scary to me, as an aside. He flashed star upside no doubt but how often will he actually be available?

 

Personally I don't think we're getting Watson.

 

With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful.

Pace as a lame duck is a terrifying thought

[raw]

How do the young D assets of the Jets or Dolphins line up to Smith and Johnson?

 

I don't know, it's kind of tough. Based on the sneak peak we got of the D without Smith and Johnson, I'm not sure the team would be that much better, even with an improved offense. Marginally so perhaps, but they Bears would run low on options to build the D. Are they a division round team instead of a wildcard team, maybe?

 

I don't have the answer to either question but they'd have the most important building block in place. So that alone pushes me into the "dooooooo iiiiiit" camp. You're just never gonna win a ring without one and you're probably not getting one at 20 this year. Although Pace will be 100% willing to trade whatever it takes to get his guy as well being in his last year. Honestly I imagine both teams could put a comparable player pkg together. Tom could probably weigh in on that.

 

That shoulder of Johnson is damn scary to me, as an aside. He flashed star upside no doubt but how often will he actually be available?

 

Personally I don't think we're getting Watson.

 

With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful.

 

Like I've said, they gotta explore every option. If they don't get Watson, they have to get in on whoever's job Watson affects. If he goes to Miami, try to get Tua. If he goes to NYJ, try to get Darnold. If he goes to SF, Jimmy G will be cut. If he goes to Carolina, try to get Bridgewater. I'd even call about that backup Wolford who started for the Rams when Goff broke his thumb. None of those are good moves (except maybe Tua). But then you follow up with moving up in the draft.

 

I think the Bears can definitely get into the top 10, and the Cowboys at 10 are potentially the perfect target. If they re-sign Dak, they really have no holes on offense except maybe OL depth. They need pretty much everything on defense, but this draft isn't high on elite defensive top 10 talent. They can get a player similar at 20 as they can get at 10, if not the same exact player with QBs, OTs and WRs going early. Plus, they get comp picks after the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th rounds so they have 4 extra picks to work with. I think the Bears could trade to 10 with giving up just 20 and future picks, something like 10 + 2021 4th for 20 + 2022 1st + 2022 3rd. This would be ideal for the Bears given that they don't have cap space this year and will in 2022, so they could focus on loading up on prospects this year and focus more on free agents next year. Still depends on how successful the QB is in any scenario, but this is my guess for Plan B.

[jersey cubs fan]

With Stafford off the board and Watson not a realistic option what does that mean for Bears? Pace is going to do something, I've a feeling it's destined to be something horsefeathering awful.

Watson is a realistic option if they really want him.

You have to be willing to build a roster without multiple first round picks, something the Bears absolutely can do.

 

But I've felt for a while they are going to wind up with somebody else a team is ready to move on from, as well as a draft pick. They can go into 2021 with a completely different quarterback room, top to bottom. But they'll still keep Bray for some reason.

[Derwood]

100% chance that Watson goes to some other team at a lower asking price than we suspect, and there will be much teeth gnashing

[BigbadB]

Even though they seem set to land a big name, I think they end up with one of Garappalo, Bridgewater or Winston.

 

If not Watson, I'd like to see them get Carr. But, I don't know how serious LV is interested in moving him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nah, they will very likely resign Trubisky

[David]

Nah, they will very likely resign Trubisky

 

highly doubt that

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nah, they will very likely resign Trubisky

 

highly doubt that

I just think they are talking big about being in the QB market, but they don't have the guns to compete and that realty will lead them back to where they started.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nah, they will very likely resign Trubisky

I thought that stood a chance until the press conference, when it became clear the only goal of the offseason was to have a new QB.

 

I guess I could see a situation where they bring back Trubisky if they somehow trade Foles and then draft a QB, which would give that QB a chance to either beat out Trubisky in training camp or save the team from him in week 3.

 

But I really don't see it happening.

[Bertz]

Even though they seem set to land a big name, I think they end up with one of Garappalo, Bridgewater or Winston.

 

If not Watson, I'd like to see them get Carr. But, I don't know how serious LV is interested in moving him.

 

Not Winston for off-field considerations, but I'd be perfectly fine with Garappolo or Bridgewater and a day 2 pick spent on a QB. If we're going for a veteran QB, and not able to land a legit star, that'd actually be my preferred path. My nightmare scenario for this offseason has been giving up a bunch of picks for someone in the Stafford tier of QBs.

 

My thought is to go big, go young, or be efficient. Absolutely don't give up a first+ for like 11th best QB in the league.

[jumbo]

Sign the best FA veteran, including Dak if he makes it to FA.

Draft a QB in Rd 2,3,4 wherever value comes to you

Franchise Robinson and find a way to keep him for 2021

 

Next year, let Nick go, if the FA is still there and good you continuw developing a young QB. If the FA is a 1-2 year deal type like Fitz you draft another value QB until you have a room full of young guys. If one of them puts it together you ride with them. If not you end up drafting high and have the ammo to get the QB. All the while you are filling out the OL, DL, etc.

 

But Pace will blow his load for someone this year, no doubt.

[gflore34]

Sign the best FA veteran, including Dak if he makes it to FA.

Draft a QB in Rd 2,3,4 wherever value comes to you

Franchise Robinson and find a way to keep him for 2021

 

Next year, let Nick go, if the FA is still there and good you continuw developing a young QB. If the FA is a 1-2 year deal type like Fitz you draft another value QB until you have a room full of young guys. If one of them puts it together you ride with them. If not you end up drafting high and have the ammo to get the QB. All the while you are filling out the OL, DL, etc.

 

But Pace will blow his load for someone this year, no doubt.

 

It's a certainty he'll give the most for the least. I'm thinking something like multiple picks to Niners for Jimmy G the week before he' was going to be released because they acquired Watson or some such terrible transaction.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

[gflore34]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

[gflore34]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

 

Pace is desperate so trading a 1st for Carr is very within the realm of possibility.

[d_money]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

It’s kinda like buying your dream house contingent upon selling your current home (that you can’t sell for the price you want). I don’t see this happening.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

 

Pace is desperate so trading a 1st for Carr is very within the realm of possibility.

While I'm skeptical of the 1st round value for Carr, that appears to be where the market is at based on the Stafford trade. And it's reportedly not just the Bears/Pace.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Be a better option than Jimmy G, would not require a first rounder perhaps, multiple, like two, at most, middle round picks?

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

It’s kinda like buying your dream house contingent upon selling your current home (that you can’t sell for the price you want). I don’t see this happening.

I don't either, but I'm frequently proven wrong with these sorts of things.

 

I don't get it from the Raiders view though. Yea Watson is way better than Carr, but they already have a top 10 offense with Carr and need help on D. Even if they were to become the number 1 offense in football with Watson, how's he fixing that 30th ranked D?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The linked story's entire premise is based on getting two 1sts so the Raiders could flip them for Watson.

 

Pace is desperate so trading a 1st for Carr is very within the realm of possibility.

While I'm skeptical of the 1st round value for Carr, that appears to be where the market is at based on the Stafford trade. And it's reportedly not just the Bears/Pace.

Stafford's cost was inflated by also taking back Goff. If you aren't paying the Raiders to take back a franchise crippling contract, there is no reason the two should be at all related. And if the Raiders are making the deal in order to facilitate getting an actual star QB, then there is no reason to play along in their overvaluing the guy they want to replace.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Pace is desperate so trading a 1st for Carr is very within the realm of possibility.

While I'm skeptical of the 1st round value for Carr, that appears to be where the market is at based on the Stafford trade. And it's reportedly not just the Bears/Pace.

Stafford's cost was inflated by also taking back Goff. If you aren't paying the Raiders to take back a franchise crippling contract, there is no reason the two should be at all related. And if the Raiders are making the deal in order to facilitate getting an actual star QB, then there is no reason to play along in their overvaluing the guy they want to replace.

Based on all reports the market for Stafford was a 1st and something else from multiple teams. So that's probably Carrs rough market as well. Yes Goff was probably responsible for the extra first that they got.

 

I tend to agree on the latter point. Especially if it's the Raiders as the winning team. They're basically just giving up 4 likely non top 10 picks. I'd like the think the Bears 4 first rounders could match that, or they could offer better young D players. So unless the issue is just Watson just shutting out the Bears with his NTC...

[Bertz]

Derek Carr is interesting. By DYAR (DVOA converted to yards), he's 6th in the NFL the last two years. Here's the top 10

 

Mahomes - 3040 (lol)

Rodgers - 2443

Brees - 2085

Brady - 2068

Wilson - 2038

Carr - 1989

Watson - 1956

Prescott - 1940

Tannehill - 1819

Cousins - 1632

 

So Mahomes is obviously in another stratosphere. He's basically the new Dan Marino. Rodgers is still, unfortunately, in his own tier. But in terms of just the numbers, Carr's as good as anyone else. His contract situation isn't all that onerous, and he's still a little under 30 (turns in March). That said, he certainly *feels* much more like he belongs in the Stafford tier than the Russell Wilson tier?

 

I think if I trusted advanced analytics in the NFL as much as in MLB, I'd actually be cool with that price. But my gut just screams that he's not nearly that good, and that scheme and/or team quality are not being properly contextualized by those stats.