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Kris Bryant is awesome and we were always right to love him

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via Bleacher Nation

 

Since April 24: .317/.424/.616, 167 wRC+

 

Since June 6: .338/.439/.594, 169 wRC+

 

Since June 26: .352/.459/.676, 191 wRC+

 

Since July 4: .372/.491/.767, 218 wRC+

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I do think there’s a real chance he’s moved this offseason. Trading him to get prospects and a decent cheap major leaguer(s) makes some sense and then signing/trading for some combo of Rendon, Cole, Castellanos, Moustakas and Merrifield or other guys who become available in trade. I think he’s ultimately kept because you need a lot to come together in moving a player like him but I unfortunately get why they’d do it.

 

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I am more than cool with it.

 

Beyond my meatball-y dislike of how lame he is, I think he's the perfect storm of how there's essentially zero chance he'll look to re-sign ahead of time, and he's currently playing for an organization that has zero organization in spending what it would cost to keep him (which, IMO, will be too damn much for whoever signs him since I think his nebulous shoulder issues will have him planted in the MLB equivalent of the not quite max deal guys who get max deals just by default).

 

TRADE AWAY, BABY.

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Not going to lie, ever since I made some earlier post the idea of trading him has grown on me. I want Lindor very badly

 

Yeah, I had my earlier "Trade Rizzo for a couple of baller prospects, and then flip those baller prospects plus whatever is needed in house to get Lindor" idea, but Bryant makes that much more likely to pull off. Lindor is both infinitely more awesome, and it seems like it would be a much easier to sell extensions to him and Baez. Let Bryant take his squints so damn much he looks like he's on the verge of tears in nearly every AB-face somewhere else.

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Not going to lie, ever since I made some earlier post the idea of trading him has grown on me. I want Lindor very badly

 

Yeah, I had my earlier "Trade Rizzo for a couple of baller prospects, and then flip those baller prospects plus whatever is needed in house to get Lindor" idea, but Bryant makes that much more likely to pull off. Lindor is both infinitely more awesome, and it seems like it would be a much easier to sell extensions to him and Baez. Let Bryant take his squints so damn much he looks like he's on the verge of tears in nearly every AB-face somewhere else.

I’d rather get Mookie than Lindor using this similar train of thought.

 

Also as an FYI from a LT perspective we are at $210 MIL +/- going in to next year (this includes a non-tender/whatever with Russell), we probably go in to the 230s, moving Bryant and Schwarbs clears up about $25 mil. So we’d have about $50 mil to play with doing that (depending what comes back in trades). We could go big on a guy like Rendon or Cole or spread it out and probably be able to fit in like all of Castellanos, Moustakas a good RP and SP and trade for Merrifield/his money.

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Trading Kris Bryant would almost certainly slam the Cubs window shut. Those windows are defined by stars, the 4-5+ win players who anchor a team even when role players ebb and flow in terms of names and productivity. Rizzo is leaving that status, Bryant and Baez are still there, you can maybe make the argument for Hendricks too(although even setting aside production F pitchers). You get rid of Bryant you're basically playing roulette that you're gonna be able to get another star, and you no longer have Rizzo or peak Arrieta as a hedge, plus there are no players of that caliber in the farm. I will be...very, very angry if they trade Bryant.
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Trading Kris Bryant would almost certainly slam the Cubs window shut. Those windows are defined by stars, the 4-5+ win players who anchor a team even when role players ebb and flow in terms of names and productivity. Rizzo is leaving that status, Bryant and Baez are still there, you can maybe make the argument for Hendricks too(although even setting aside production F pitchers). You get rid of Bryant you're basically playing roulette that you're gonna be able to get another star, and you no longer have Rizzo or peak Arrieta as a hedge, plus there are no players of that caliber in the farm. I will be...very, very angry if they trade Bryant.

 

Really doesn't make any sense to me. Even in his later arb years he's still a bargain, why would you trade a surplus value superstar in the middle of a contention window?

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If I had any faith that they would get close to comparable value for him, I would be down for trading him.

 

If they're going to get one MLB guy and some lottery tickets, horsefeathers that

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Trading Kris Bryant would almost certainly slam the Cubs window shut. Those windows are defined by stars, the 4-5+ win players who anchor a team even when role players ebb and flow in terms of names and productivity. Rizzo is leaving that status, Bryant and Baez are still there, you can maybe make the argument for Hendricks too(although even setting aside production F pitchers). You get rid of Bryant you're basically playing roulette that you're gonna be able to get another star, and you no longer have Rizzo or peak Arrieta as a hedge, plus there are no players of that caliber in the farm. I will be...very, very angry if they trade Bryant.

Oh I definitely feel mostly this way, my previous posts were just more on what I could see happening and what they’re thinking. I’d prefer keeping KB and doing other stuff this offseason (Trade Schwarbs and re-sign Castellanos and trade for Merrifield being by preferred route as the big offense moves).

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How can anyone here think the org is going to make any kind of real effort to sign him when he becomes a FA? You have to be REALLY confident in the idea that the Cubs' current window isn't already just held open a very rickety popsicle stick to be basically endorsing that the Cubs hold on to him for 2 years and then only settle for a comp pick (I think?) when he leaves.

 

Plus we're talking about fantasy ideas of using the return for Bryant to turn around and get someone like Lindor, and not just shipping him off for another damn tank-rebuild.

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Yeah I think it works if you bring in another star. Rendon is the most obvious, but there's a million permutations. For example, you could sign Rendon for 10/250ish and trade Kris to the Rays for Austin Meadows and Brendan McKay. You're comparable at 3b while only getting ~5M more expensive, and used Kris' trade value to address two trouble spots of the 2020 roster in CF and #5 starter.

 

Also, because of the presence of guys like Bote and Happ with positional flexibility, and also given that you can ask for the world for Kris, you're not locked into a specific Kris replacement like Rendon. You could just as easily sign Cole and send Kris to the Braves or Twins for outfielder help for example.

 

It's a really smart idea IMO, though I understand how tough it is to pull off in the real world.

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If I had any faith that they would get close to comparable value for him, I would be down for trading him.

 

If they're going to get one MLB guy and some lottery tickets, horsefeathers that

 

It would have to be another annual 6-7 WAR player at a similar stage of their arb years. You aren't trading him for a top 20 prospect that *might* be as good as KB one day. And if its for a comparable player, why make that deal unless Kris has made it clear that he's not going to resign? Maybe because that player is a better fit for the team positionally than KB? I guess that is the only way a trade of Bryant makes sense. Lindor fits all of that, came up in the same season, has actually accumulated more WAR in his career, plays a different position and might have a compelling reason to resign (his friendship with Javy I guess).

 

Side note, can anyone tell me the reason for the sizable difference in KB's fWAR and bWAR? Fangraphs has him at 4.2 which puts him on pace to have (for him) a decent season though still a slight drop from his first 3 seasons, but BR has him at 3.1 which puts him in range to be about 60% of his annual WAR in those first 3 seasons.

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