10/2/18 NL WILD CARD Rockies (Freeland) @ CLERBS (Lester) 7:00 CST ESPN

[Andy]

Guy next to Hendricks is Chatwood.

 

OK then who is the one above Lester. Too many white-ish guys with full beards

 

Webster I think?

 

I don't know if anyone else is as confused as I am over whether this is a joke or something, but that's Morrow.

 

And the guy he labeled Lester is absolutely not Lester. I don't think it's Bote either, I think the guy he thought is Bote was Bote.

 

In any case, didn't Passan say it was in the middle innings? This picture probably wouldn't determine any of this.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Andy

[Ding Dong Johnson]

update: i think who you think is lester is in actuality bote

bote is next to chatwood

[Ding Dong Johnson]

you guys think all white people look alike

[UMFan83]

OK so I got half the team wrong oh well

[weis21]

update: i think who you think is lester is in actuality bote

 

you might be right...hmm the plot thickens...

 

 

Also I should point out I really don't care if a cub was in the clubhouse playing on their ipad, I just like being an internet sleuth

same. somewhat busy day but no more appointments until 5:00 so pointless internet it is

[weis21]

update: i think who you think is lester is in actuality bote

bote is next to chatwood

nah that guys face is too fat for bote

[Liam Neeson]

Bryant?

[jersey cubs fan]

the obvious answer is david ross

[UMFan83]

The guy I labeled Bote could definitely be Duensing. He was my prime suspect for ipadding in the clubhouse though

[Brian]

If someone was really doing that, it's not like they couldn't also be in that photo. They could have come back out.

[imb]

 

The whole signing looks worse and worse for the FO as time goes on. Like, it's not like any of this stuff was any kind of secret, yet they seemingly went all in on him more just to spite the Cardinals as opposed to actually signing someone who looked like they were going to be a reliably valuable baseball player.

 

they were just doing the smartest guys in the room stuff again. Heyward was a high floor guy because of the defense and the lack of Ks. his body was borked and he still hit .290 so "hey, if we can get the swing straight he'll be a GG defender who walks doesnt K and hits for power again. the shoulder can't be too bad, he hit .290!" but he just literally can't swing anymore.

Again, he had multiple offers and he reportedly had offers higher than what he signed for with the Cubs. This wasn't some random shot in the dark -- several teams were trying to land him and willing to pay a lot of money.

 

yeah dude, we know. the question is how did a smart group of dudes likes theo and his associates fall into the trap of offering $150 million to a broken down wreck.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

If it was Jon, I am not sure it was him [expletive] on his teammates. If anything, I think he is really pissed from a competitive standpoint of not staying in the game.

Yeah, I have a hard time picturing him crack his knuckles and say, "now it's time for daddy to parlay those 6 strong innings into a high score on Candy Crush."

 

there is no way anyone on the cubs roster would interpret anything jon lester did after that performance as being uninterested in the outcome or whatever passan is alluding to. It's either someone else or passan is just making horsefeathers up.

 

I'm confident Passan isn't making it up, and confident it's not Lester.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Yeah, I have a hard time picturing him crack his knuckles and say, "now it's time for daddy to parlay those 6 strong innings into a high score on Candy Crush."

 

there is no way anyone on the cubs roster would interpret anything jon lester did after that performance as being uninterested in the outcome or whatever passan is alluding to. It's either someone else or passan is just making horsefeathers up.

 

I'm confident Passan isn't making it up, and confident it's not Lester.

I'm confident that I don't give a flying poo if the guy was checking out Billy Williams and his grandkids as Baez was tying the game. It does not matter.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe he just cared *so much* that it was hard to look.

 

All those lazy horsefeathers on the top step just didn't care enough.

[ConstableRabbit]

 

they were just doing the smartest guys in the room stuff again. Heyward was a high floor guy because of the defense and the lack of Ks. his body was borked and he still hit .290 so "hey, if we can get the swing straight he'll be a GG defender who walks doesnt K and hits for power again. the shoulder can't be too bad, he hit .290!" but he just literally can't swing anymore.

Again, he had multiple offers and he reportedly had offers higher than what he signed for with the Cubs. This wasn't some random shot in the dark -- several teams were trying to land him and willing to pay a lot of money.

 

yeah dude, we know. the question is how did a smart group of dudes likes theo and his associates fall into the trap of offering $150 million to a broken down wreck.

This is the process vs. results debate again. They weren't pulling a "smartest guys in the room" move -- they were aggressively pursuing a good free agent that other front offices (successful ones, by the way) also thought was a good free agent. This wasn't some market inefficiency/spin rate/4D chess thing: it just didn't work out and it sucks.

[imb]

Again, he had multiple offers and he reportedly had offers higher than what he signed for with the Cubs. This wasn't some random shot in the dark -- several teams were trying to land him and willing to pay a lot of money.

 

yeah dude, we know. the question is how did a smart group of dudes likes theo and his associates fall into the trap of offering $150 million to a broken down wreck.

This is the process vs. results debate again. They weren't pulling a "smartest guys in the room" move -- they were aggressively pursuing a good free agent that other front offices (successful ones, by the way) also thought was a good free agent. This wasn't some market inefficiency/spin rate/4D chess thing: it just didn't work out and it sucks.

 

the idea is that the cubs guys we expect to be smarter than people like me who were like hell yeah jason heyward! But they weren't, they were in fact dumber because they were the ones who actually gave money to the guy who can't slug more than 375 without a flukey high average.

[TMan92]

Theo making some interesting comments right now about sense of urgency. That points to Joe.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

yeah dude, we know. the question is how did a smart group of dudes likes theo and his associates fall into the trap of offering $150 million to a broken down wreck.

This is the process vs. results debate again. They weren't pulling a "smartest guys in the room" move -- they were aggressively pursuing a good free agent that other front offices (successful ones, by the way) also thought was a good free agent. This wasn't some market inefficiency/spin rate/4D chess thing: it just didn't work out and it sucks.

 

the idea is that the cubs guys we expect to be smarter than people like me who were like hell yeah jason heyward! But they weren't, they were in fact dumber because they were the ones who actually gave money to the guy who can't slug more than 375 without a flukey high average.

I would set the over under of baseball GMs that would have expected Heyward's offensive production to decline this much...or even at all, at 3, and they probably also suck as being baseball executives. The question was if Heyward's defense in the OF was worth the pricetag, not that his present hitting numbers were unsustainable.

[imb]

This is the process vs. results debate again. They weren't pulling a "smartest guys in the room" move -- they were aggressively pursuing a good free agent that other front offices (successful ones, by the way) also thought was a good free agent. This wasn't some market inefficiency/spin rate/4D chess thing: it just didn't work out and it sucks.

 

the idea is that the cubs guys we expect to be smarter than people like me who were like hell yeah jason heyward! But they weren't, they were in fact dumber because they were the ones who actually gave money to the guy who can't slug more than 375 without a flukey high average.

I would set the over under of baseball GMs that would have expected Heyward's offensive production to decline this much...or even at all, at 3, and they probably also suck as being baseball executives. The question was if Heyward's defense in the OF was worth the pricetag, not that his present hitting numbers were unsustainable.

 

His offense hasn’t declined.

[Brian]

only 29 more pages to beat the thread where we won the world series

[Cubswin11]

only 29 more pages to beat the thread where we won the world series

Some bring a Pizza take in here and it’s in play

[ConstableRabbit]

 

yeah dude, we know. the question is how did a smart group of dudes likes theo and his associates fall into the trap of offering $150 million to a broken down wreck.

This is the process vs. results debate again. They weren't pulling a "smartest guys in the room" move -- they were aggressively pursuing a good free agent that other front offices (successful ones, by the way) also thought was a good free agent. This wasn't some market inefficiency/spin rate/4D chess thing: it just didn't work out and it sucks.

 

the idea is that the cubs guys we expect to be smarter than people like me who were like hell yeah jason heyward! But they weren't, they were in fact dumber because they were the ones who actually gave money to the guy who can't slug more than 375 without a flukey high average.

We have loads of data points that indicate that the Cubs FO is one of the smartest in baseball, yet your argument equates to

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We have loads of data points that indicate that the Cubs FO is one of the smartest in baseball

 

Basically all of them do, because every data point against it is actually a fluke that they couldn't have been expected to foresee.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wishing that a smart FO had been a bit smarter to heed the pretty obvious risks in Heyward isn't some kind of unrealistic expectation.

 

And justifying the signing along of the lines of everyone else being willing to jump off of a bridge looking cool isn't really an argument in the signing's favor, either.