NFL week 15

[Transmogrified Tiger]

it should be the simplest thing

 

CATCH:

is firm possession of the ball secured simultaneous with 2 feet/steps in bounds

(then whatever happens after falls under standard fumble guidelines)

 

FUMBLE:

no forward gains on fumbles out of bounds, ball spotted where the carrier last had full possession of ball

 

Out of curiosity, what do you think of plays like this, where there is firm possession(if only momentarily) before getting the ball jarred loose?

 

[sneakypower]

i played that clip at 1/4x speed and it looks like he was being stripped of the ball in the air before feet landed, so INC would be the right call if available angles corroborate that

 

but hypothetically say he gets two feet down and then the ball is ripped out, doesn't matter still a TD, just like a runner leaping over a pile reaching for the EZ & breaking the plane gets the TD even if ball's knocked loose immediately thereafter

[minnesotacubsfan]

it should be the simplest thing

 

CATCH:

is firm possession of the ball secured simultaneous with 2 feet/steps in bounds

(then whatever happens after falls under standard fumble guidelines)

 

FUMBLE:

no forward gains on fumbles out of bounds, ball spotted where the carrier last had full possession of ball

 

Yes. With instant replay it really should be this easy

[jersey cubs fan]

[soccer10k]

Lost in the craziness of Pittsburgh having a TD unfairly overruled despite video evidence that didn't show the ball hitting the ground (left hand moved, right hand stayed under ball), the big mistake by Ben was the dumb throw underneath on 2nd down. It's 1/goal from the 8 with 36 seconds left. You have three shots at the end zone then a field goal. He threw short on first down and got away with it, but then he threw short again and forced a sloppy third down play. That's dumb QB play that a rookie would get raked for.

 

Also dumb: diving for the end zone with only one hand on the ball when you're down 3 and have already picked up the first down.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Matty Ice

 

[jersey cubs fan]

https://twitter.com/recordsANDradio/status/943120173736833024

[CubColtPacer]

it should be the simplest thing

 

CATCH:

is firm possession of the ball secured simultaneous with 2 feet/steps in bounds

(then whatever happens after falls under standard fumble guidelines)

 

FUMBLE:

no forward gains on fumbles out of bounds, ball spotted where the carrier last had full possession of ball

 

While this would simplify the rule, you're going to have about five extra fumbles a game this way, and most of them are not plays where anybody has defined them as a catch for a long time. And even with that huge tradeoff, you're still going to have arguments about if the player truly had the ball securely for .2 seconds before the defender hits them in the back and knocks it out.

[CubColtPacer]

I personally think they can chip away at some of the edges of the rule and make it a whole lot better. People are pretty much ok with a player needing to establish themselves as a runner and have the ball for enough time before it's considered a catch.

 

The outrage seems to be mostly focused on the part about going to the ground. That was the case for the Calvin Johnson play, the Dez Bryant one, and now the Jesse James play. So I would change the rule to this. If a player has gotten two feet down with the ball, then he just needs to control the ball to the point of being down on the ground, whether that's an elbow, knee or whatever. Contact with the ground causing the ball to come loose would not affect the ruling of a catch. If a player is diving for a ball and does not get two feet down, then he must maintain it through the ground like it is now. Even the James play where his knee hits first he still gets two feet down and then the elbow which causes the ball to move.

[jersey cubs fan]

I personally think they can chip away at some of the edges of the rule and make it a whole lot better. People are pretty much ok with a player needing to establish themselves as a runner and have the ball for enough time before it's considered a catch.

 

The outrage seems to be mostly focused on the part about going to the ground. That was the case for the Calvin Johnson play, the Dez Bryant one, and now the Jesse James play. So I would change the rule to this. If a player has gotten two feet down with the ball, then he just needs to control the ball to the point of being down on the ground, whether that's an elbow, knee or whatever. Contact with the ground causing the ball to come loose would not affect the ruling of a catch. If a player is diving for a ball and does not get two feet down, then he must maintain it through the ground like it is now. Even the James play where his knee hits first he still gets two feet down and then the elbow which causes the ball to move.

He had 2 feet on the ground and the ball cross the line in his possession, there doesn't need to be anything beyond that.

[Derwood]

I think that if there is a "the ground can't cause a fumble" rule, then there also needs to be a "the ground can't cause a completion to become an incompletion rule." In other words, if you catch it in bounds, have control of it, but it moves when your elbow hits the turf, it's still a catch.

[Andy]

In non-catch territory, I am perfectly fine with Thomas Davis being suspended for his dirty hit on Davante Adams on Sunday, but the suspension being twice as long as when Rob Gronkowski speared a dude on the ground after the play was over is completely ridiculous. If you're not giving Gronk more than 1 for that, you've pretty much lost the right to give anyone more than 1 for anything short of a felony.

[Flames24Rulz]

In non-catch territory, I am perfectly fine with Thomas Davis being suspended for his dirty hit on Davante Adams on Sunday, but the suspension being twice as long as when Rob Gronkowski speared a dude on the ground after the play was over is completely ridiculous. If you're not giving Gronk more than 1 for that, you've pretty much lost the right to give anyone more than 1 for anything short of a felony.

 

Gronk wasn't a repeat offender though.

[OleMissCub]

Matty Ice

 

 

reminds me of this

 

[jersey cubs fan]

In non-catch territory, I am perfectly fine with Thomas Davis being suspended for his dirty hit on Davante Adams on Sunday, but the suspension being twice as long as when Rob Gronkowski speared a dude on the ground after the play was over is completely ridiculous. If you're not giving Gronk more than 1 for that, you've pretty much lost the right to give anyone more than 1 for anything short of a felony.

 

Gronk wasn't a repeat offender though.

[raw]

So based on the current NFL catch rule. If a player makes a diving catch on 40 and does the worm all the way to the end zone, and drops the ball after crossing the goalline but before standing up or handing it to an official, that would be an incomplete pass.

[Andy]

In non-catch territory, I am perfectly fine with Thomas Davis being suspended for his dirty hit on Davante Adams on Sunday, but the suspension being twice as long as when Rob Gronkowski speared a dude on the ground after the play was over is completely ridiculous. If you're not giving Gronk more than 1 for that, you've pretty much lost the right to give anyone more than 1 for anything short of a felony.

 

Gronk wasn't a repeat offender though.

Assumed that would happen.

 

Carolina needs to beat Tampa Sunday if only for my own sanity. I really don't want their playoff lives coming down to a trip to Atlanta in Week 17.

[sweetpeteman]

Using the Playoff Machine, I've found that:

 

The 3 good NFC South teams could all end with 11-5 records.

All 4 of the non-bye teams in the NFC could be 11-5. Alternatively, 4 teams could end up with 10-6 records (Det, 2 of Car/NO/ATL, and 1 of SEA/DAL), of which 2 would make the playoffs.

 

It is possible for 7 AFC team and 5 NFC teams to end with 8-8 records, in the AFC 3 would be in the playoffs:

 

Final Standings

AFC EAST

New England 12-4

Miami 8-8

Buffalo 8-8

NY Jets 6-10

 

AFC WEST

Kansas City 8-8

Oakland 8-8

Los Angeles 8-8

Denver 6-10

 

AFC NORTH

Pittsburgh 13-3*

Baltimore 8-8

Cincinnati 7-9

Cleveland 1-15

 

AFC SOUTH

Jacksonville 12-4

Tennessee 8-8

Indianapolis 5-11

Houston 4-12

 

 

 

NFC EAST

Philadelphia 12-4

Dallas 10-6

Washington 8-8

NY Giants 2-14

 

NFC WEST

Los Angeles 11-5

Seattle 8-8

Arizona 8-8

San Francisco 5-11

 

NFC NORTH

Minnesota 13-3*

Detroit 8-8

Green Bay 8-8

Chicago 4-12

 

NFC SOUTH

Atlanta 11-5

New Orleans 11-5

Carolina 11-5

Tampa Bay 4-12

 

 

Seeding:

Pitt, Jack, NE, KC, Miami, Ten

Min, Phi, Atl, LA, NO, Car

 

 

EDIT: And Balt winning and GB losing immediately ruins this. Oh well..

Edited December 24, 2017 by sweetpeteman

[UMFan83]

LOL. If I am reading this right, if the Packers put Rodgers on IR without a new injury occurring GB is required to release Rodgers when healthy per the rules. It will never ever happen but if he was released, the Packers would have to resign him to a larger contract I’m sure.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21863467/teams-complain-nfl-green-bay-packers-violated-ir-rule-think-aaron-rodgers-released

[PackLandVA]

Why would they have to sign him to a bigger contract? If he’s not satisfied with his contract,he could always “demand” a new one anyway. Was not aware of this hat rule though.

[Splendid Splinter]

LOL. If I am reading this right, if the Packers put Rodgers on IR without a new injury occurring GB is required to release Rodgers when healthy per the rules. It will never ever happen but if he was released, the Packers would have to resign him to a larger contract I’m sure.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21863467/teams-complain-nfl-green-bay-packers-violated-ir-rule-think-aaron-rodgers-released

 

I believe he would be put on waivers, not outright released. I could be wrong on that, but if so, Browns would have first dibs which would be funny as hell.

[sneakypower]

Burfict just fucked up his own teammate with his headhunting

[OleMissCub]

Jameis is certifiable. Just ran on the field while his defense had the ball.

[minnesotacubsfan]

any reality to the idea that the Packers will be forced to release Rodgers for taking him off the IR, then back on for the same injury? Or is the nfl just going to overlook that?

[Tim]

any reality to the idea that the Packers will be forced to release Rodgers for taking him off the IR, then back on for the same injury? Or is the nfl just going to overlook that?

I'm sure it won't happen. But it would be my favorite thing to happen in the NFL in a long time.