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If a package of Happ, Caratini, Ademan (plus?) can bring back Teheran, one of their starting pitching prospects and AJ Minter, I'm down.

I'd rather overpay for Cobb or Lynn (let's just take Yu and Jake out of the equation) or even bargain shop and bring in 2-3 of guys like Hellickson, Bucholz, Feldman, Garcia, Vargas, Tillman, etc. to compete for the last rotation spot than give up that package for Teheran.

I get that line of thinking. For me the appeal is getting a top notch pitching prospect PLUS a guy like Teheran.

 

If Teheran reverts to his 3 WAR years (just one year removed), you've won the deal. If he doesn't, he's a consistent, non-terrible innings eater with no injury history in his age 27-29 years at the back end of your rotation at an affordable price. And in my eyes, the Cubs greatest need moving forward is a top 50 type pitching prospect that's a year or two away from the majors. That piece could/would enable them to add a piece like Harper and possibly get back under the luxury tax cap to reset it in the near future.

 

Didn’t read the whole thing because I’m slightly drunk but Teheran is garbage. Players don’t regain velocity. I don’t want to give up horsefeathering anything for him. There’s a reason the Braves went from considering him untouchable to listening to offers.

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Players don’t regain velocity.

Teheran hasn't lost any velocity.

 

Per Fangraphs:

2014 - Fastball 92.3, Slider 82.1, Curve 74.0

2017 - Fastball 92.0, Slider 83.1, Curve 73.8

 

I don’t want to give up horsefeathering anything for him. There’s a reason the Braves went from considering him untouchable to listening to offers.

I respect that. Fans are divided on him and rightfully so. But more importantly, the Braves are entertaining offers for him?! I hadn't heard that. That's welcome news. From my point of view, anyway...

 

Then again, the real get here would be one of their better pitching prospects.

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There are absolutely no rumors involving Julio Teheran so I don't have any idea of Atlanta's willingness to move him (although no rumors have never been an indication one way or another for this stealthy front office), but I'd love to get him.

 

He's coming off a down year (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but he's one of the most reliable pitchers when it comes to providing innings, has 3 years left on his contract (his age 27-29 seasons) and the Braves match up well as trade partners considering their excess depth of pitching and the Cubs excess depth of hitting. While his performance has fluctuated a bit in his pre-prime years, he had a 3.2 fWAR in his age 23 and 25 seasons.

 

As with all trade discussions, it's completely dependent upon the asking price (which is impossible to gauge at this point), but the Braves just added to pitchers (Scott Kazmir and Brandon McCarthy) to their roster. Kazmir might not pitch at all if his hip isn't healthy and if he does he may come out of the bullpen. McCarthy is notoriously injury prone but if he is healthy he will be in their rotation. More importantly, the Braves already have 6 young starters who started for them last season. Teheran, Foltynewicz, Sean Newcomb, Lucas Sims, Luis Gohara and Max Fried. Of those, Teheran is the oldest and by far the most expensive with $31 million left on his contract.

 

On top of their depth of young pitching at the major league level, the Braves have incredible depth in the minors as well. Kolby Allard, Kyle Wright, Mike Soroka, Ian Anderson and Joey Wentz would all instantly be the Cubs top pitching prospect by far. Beyond those, Kyle Muller, Touki Toussaint and to a lesser extent Patrick Weigel, Bryce Wilson and lefty reliever AJ Minter would makes nice additions if possible. The point is they have tremendous depth and might be more willing than other teams to part with young pitching as a result.

 

They could certainly use a player like Ian Happ and a C like Victor Caratini. They have two catchers in their 30s under contract for one more season and the only C prospect of note they have is Drew Jackson who is below average behind the plate and no lock to hit at the major league level. He'll start this year in AA.

 

They also lost their top IFA signings and are barred from signing any significant ones for the next few years. So some of the Cubs lower level players like Aramis Ademan might have more value to them than most other teams.

 

If a package of Happ, Caratini, Ademan (plus?) can bring back Teheran, one of their starting pitching prospects and AJ Minter, I'm down.

I really like Foltynewicz but am meh on Teheran. A lot of his peripherals took a step back this year and his FIP was nearly 5. He's an interesting buy-low candidate for sure but I also don't think Atlanta would trade him for a small return and I'm not sure they would do a Marlins and sweeten the deal with a prospect.

I'm alright if you think it's a bad idea (Teheran is a guy many people are divided on), and maybe I'm higher on Happ than you are, but how is Happ (a 23-year-old switch-hitter with some positional flexibility and 6 years of control left who slugged over .500 and posted a 1.8 fWAR in just 115 games in his rookie season, Caratini who the Braves having a glaring need for, Ademan (arguably the Cubs best prospect) plus others a "small return" for a buy low candidate?

I more or less meant I wouldn't trade Happ for him. Something like Zagunis and Hatch, maybe. But I'm not high on Teheran.

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I more or less meant I wouldn't trade Happ for him. Something like Zagunis and Hatch, maybe. But I'm not high on Teheran.

Happ for Teheran would be a terrible trade. Of course, that's not remotely what I was suggesting...

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Dierkes just put out an article stating what I mentioned earlier. No negotiating arb between filing and hearings. This definitely shows why we're cautious right now. The good news is we may have agreements with all our guys by the 12th. Which conceivably could lead to a very lively next few days. It'd be funny if the Cubs Convention actually WAS going on for something big going down, like people always seem to expect.

 

the only Cubs Convention I've ever been to was '04. i was absolutely certain that Maddux was going to come out during introductions. i think everyone was.

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Well, I'll certainly be happy if G. Cole leaves our division and goes to the AL. I do feel bad for Pirates' fans though. They had a good run and now it's all falling apart slowly...

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Well, I'll certainly be happy if G. Cole leaves our division and goes to the AL. I do feel bad for Pirates' fans though. They had a good run and now it's all falling apart slowly...

 

I Pirates had an open window to compete and they basically signed AJ Burnett as their boldest move. Pirates fans should demand new ownership.

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Well, I'll certainly be happy if G. Cole leaves our division and goes to the AL. I do feel bad for Pirates' fans though. They had a good run and now it's all falling apart slowly...

 

I Pirates had an open window to compete and they basically signed AJ Burnett as their boldest move. Pirates fans should demand new ownership.

 

turns out their superpower is a lack of money

 

more like the got no bucs

 

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Well, I'll certainly be happy if G. Cole leaves our division and goes to the AL. I do feel bad for Pirates' fans though. They had a good run and now it's all falling apart slowly...

I don’t know how realistic (or if he would be worth what they’d ask or we’d want to give it up) getting Cole ever was for us but him going to the Astros is a great outcome for us. Gets him out of the division and to one of the few teams who are in on Yu or Jake (and likely willing and able to spend even $85-100 million on a pitcher).

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