Starting Pitching candidates

[Sammy Sofa]

1) We're not going to be 8-9 down at the end of the month

2) Think of the comparison this way: What Cubs players would you trade for a Brewer at the same position?

 

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I feel like two different discussions are going on right here.

 

If the Cubs are four out in the loss column on July 31, they aren't trading Davis.

 

If the Cubs are eight or more out in the loss column on July 31, they sure as hell better trade Davis.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Most def

[17 Seconds]

sometimes it actually is good to keep one of your best players

[Tryptamine]

sometimes it actually is good to keep one of your best players

 

Not when that player is only under contract for a couple more months and can be used to immediately fill a hole in the rotation for the next 6 to 7 years.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

sometimes it actually is good to keep one of your best players

 

Not when that player is only under contract for a couple more months and can be used to immediately fill a hole in the rotation for the next 6 to 7 years.

 

Yeah, you can definitely rely on some random prospect to do that.

[17 Seconds]

sometimes it actually is good to keep one of your best players

 

Not when that player is only under contract for a couple more months and can be used to immediately fill a hole in the rotation for the next 6 to 7 years.

 

what?

[weis21]

lol

[Tryptamine]

sometimes it actually is good to keep one of your best players

 

Not when that player is only under contract for a couple more months and can be used to immediately fill a hole in the rotation for the next 6 to 7 years.

 

Yeah, you can definitely rely on some random prospect to do that.

 

Nothing is a guarantee, but if they're 8 games back I'd much rather make that gamble then continue to hope and pray they aren't the same team that has half assed its way through the first 90 games.

[Tedward]

Gammons mentioned the Cubs also asked the Tigers about Fulmer and Norris.

 

... AND ... that they have no interest in Verlander, especially with the $70MM still owed.

[Post Count Padder]

I like Norris a lot. Fulmer too. But Fulmer would cost a ton. They have no incentive to trade him right now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Going back to the discussion on trading Davis, I saw the idea on Twitter that they could try adding 2 SP and make Arrieta a late inning RP for the rest of the year. I don't think that would happen for a couple reasons, but I thought it was a fun thought exercise.

[jersey cubs fan]

Going back to the discussion on trading Davis, I saw the idea on Twitter that they could try adding 2 SP and make Arrieta a late inning RP for the rest of the year. I don't think that would happen for a couple reasons, but I thought it was a fun thought exercise.

I assume the first reason would be Arrieta would absolutely not agree to such a plan in his free agent walk year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Going back to the discussion on trading Davis, I saw the idea on Twitter that they could try adding 2 SP and make Arrieta a late inning RP for the rest of the year. I don't think that would happen for a couple reasons, but I thought it was a fun thought exercise.

I assume the first reason would be Arrieta would absolutely not agree to such a plan in his free agent walk year.

 

Yes, the two big reasons against would be the relationship with Arrieta(and the precedent that would set), and the cost of trading for 2 SP worthy enough to bump Arrieta to the pen. I'm also not sure that Arrieta's struggles wouldn't follow him to the pen, but that's way less important.

[Liam Neeson]

The Boras repercussions from attempting to do that would not be good.

[CoolHandLuke]

What is Arrieta set to get in free agency? If he can show that he can be an effective late inning reliever, he might be able to get more. That's a pretty big if though.

[Liam Neeson]

What is Arrieta set to get in free agency? If he can show that he can be an effective late inning reliever, he might be able to get more. That's a pretty big if though.

 

One of the best established relievers in the game received, a record, five years and $86 million.

 

Ian Kennedy got 5 years and $70 million.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What is Arrieta set to get in free agency? If he can show that he can be an effective late inning reliever, he might be able to get more. That's a pretty big if though.

 

Even with his struggles this year, he's on a 2.5 fWAR pace, and it's not difficult to see him continuing to be 'better than April but still inconsistent' and having a 3 win season. His age and struggles will keep him from getting huge money, but he'll get more than he would have if he put in 2 solid months in the pen and rebranded as a late inning reliever.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Jake Arrieta has been a shell of his former self but still has a top 40 ERA among SP this year. This season is insane.

[NOLA]

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

That would jive with Rosenthal's mention of trading a young position player: http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/07/10/cubs-reportedly-considering-trading-a-young-position-player/

 

I don't think we're going to see Happ any better than he is today, and while that guy(3 win switch hitter with positional flexibility) is plenty valuable, the downside if and when pitchers start exploiting him a bit more makes him a pretty good sell high candidate. It'd be risky considering the offense's inconsistency, but if that gets you the SP you really want without having to move Eloy, then I think you could get away with it now that there aren't 3 regulars with various injuries.

[Gmoney08]

 

That would jive with Rosenthal's mention of trading a young position player: http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/07/10/cubs-reportedly-considering-trading-a-young-position-player/

 

I don't think we're going to see Happ any better than he is today, and while that guy(3 win switch hitter with positional flexibility) is plenty valuable, the downside if and when pitchers start exploiting him a bit more makes him a pretty good sell high candidate. It'd be risky considering the offense's inconsistency, but if that gets you the SP you really want without having to move Eloy, then I think you could get away with it now that there aren't 3 regulars with various injuries.

 

Yeah I feel like this might be max value on Happ and could be perfect time to sell.

[17 Seconds]

i can never keep track of whether daniel norris is broken or not

[imb]

i can never keep track of whether daniel norris is broken or not

 

if he's not, just give him a few days

[LeonDurham]

The Boras repercussions from attempting to do that would not be good.

 

 

Boras should feel the repercussion of discouraging any client from signing an extension. Arrieta lost millions. Maybe it works out for Boras in the long run, but on a case by case basis can screw the player. Arrieta has probably cost himself 10s of millions of dollars by sucking this year.