Starting Pitching candidates

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pierre's Cubs fWAR is predicated on his +14 UZR, which was a pretty extreme outlier.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pierre's Cubs fWAR is predicated on his +14 UZR, which was a pretty extreme outlier.

 

Probably almost all due to him robbing Bonds.

[Perd]

I remember telling my uncle, during the height of the Dontrelle Willis hoopla, that the Marlins had gotten him from the Cubs. I thought he was going to cry.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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[sweetpeteman]

The one thing I will say about Gray is that I doubt the Cubs will be willing to give up too much. The thing the Cubs seem to really value is durability so I doubt that they would be willing to give up somebody like Baez or especially Happ.

 

I also think that they are not as high on Almora as we may be, especially with Happ doing well. I do see them selling on him soon. Packaging Almora and Candelario is a pretty good package and could be used to bring back another pitcher or something.

 

I do expect them to do another move before the deadline.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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[davell]

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Kaplan, long known idiot, wrong again.

[David]

Ha, no wonder I couldn't see that tweet when BN RTd it

[Gilby]

I'm probably giving Kap (and Muskat) too much credit here, but I wonder if this is a Muskat-Brett Jackson-Kershaw type thing where she might have heard something was happening but jumped the gun and looked really stupid.

 

 

Yeah, I'm giving him too much credit.

[Agony and Ivy]

I'm probably giving Kap (and Muskat) too much credit here, but I wonder if this is a Muskat-Brett Jackson-Kershaw type thing where she might have heard something was happening but jumped the gun and looked really stupid.

 

 

Yeah, I'm giving him too much credit.

 

Muskat looking stupid? Never.

[Agony and Ivy]

So I know this is the SP thread, but what would you be willing to give up for Gray and Doolittle? Doolittle is awesome when his shoulder isn't in pieces on the floor, so I'd love to get him in a deal with Gray if the Cubs are going down that road.

[minnesotacubsfan]

how do you predict his shoulder wont be in pieces on the floor

[Tryptamine]

So just for scenario's sake, say the Cubs get Gray. They then have a full rotation of Lester,Quintana,Gray,Hendricks,Montgomery for 2018. They also have I believe roughly 65M coming off the books, minus the 10M for quintana and another roughly 15-20M for ARB 1 on Baez,Bryant,Russell,Hendricks and that leaves the Cubs in the neighborhood of 35-40M to spend on upgrades. I don't see a single bat in 2018 FA that I want so is it rolled into 2019, used to extend Wade or do you think they start locking up some of the young guys?

[Agony and Ivy]

how do you predict his shoulder wont be in pieces on the floor

 

I'm not a doctor, but I'm sure his cost would reflect that risk, so I wouldn't imagine it would cost a ton more to get him included. Even this year, through the injuries he's been fantastic.

[Agony and Ivy]

So just for scenario's sake, say the Cubs get Gray. They then have a full rotation of Lester,Quintana,Gray,Hendricks,Montgomery for 2018. They also have I believe roughly 65M coming off the books, minus the 10M for quintana and another roughly 15-20M for ARB 1 on Baez,Bryant,Russell,Hendricks and that leaves the Cubs in the neighborhood of 35-40M to spend on upgrades. I don't see a single bat in 2018 FA that I want so is it rolled into 2019, used to extend Wade or do you think they start locking up some of the young guys?

 

Bryant and Russell aren't going to sign longterm team friendly deals. I don't feel like they need to rush to lock up Hendricks and Baez either. What does a Davis extension look like? That would be my biggest question, but also why would he not explore his options knowing teams are paying relievers like crazy?

[Agony and Ivy]

Doolittle currently blowing 96 by Indians hitters right now.

[davell]

You can't lock up the young guys, unless they want to be locked up. Honestly, I think they've each looked at Rizzo's deal and decided to go year to year, plus most use Boras anyway.....

 

If you get Gray, you may be giving up Monty as part of it.

 

You're going to spend some money on Arb raises, some on 3-4 pen arms, a 5th SP that could be expensive, a depth SP too, and I can definitely see us looking at Lorenzo Cain in the off season too....

 

Rotation- Lester, Quintana, Hendricks, Gray, 5th, 6th

 

Pen- Edwards, Strop, Grimm, ???????

 

C Contreras,

1B Rizzo

2B Zobrist, Baez

SS Russell

3B Bryant

LF Schwarber

CF Cain, Happ

RF Heyward

 

I'm saying this, based on Gray costing Almora, Monty, and guys from the minors.....

 

There's plenty of AB's to satisfy Javy and Happ not being listed as starters. I figure they'll go after Cain though, good defensively, solid offensively, veteran presence, etc.....

 

Guesses on bigger FA acquisitions......Jake McGee, Tyler Chatwood, Cain, Bryan Shaw

 

No clue where that puts us financially, I'll look later....But, assuming we stay under the LT this year, I figure we'll go over next year.

[Agony and Ivy]

I hadn't seen this regarding the Fulmer talks earlier but they wanted Javy and Happ in any deal for him.

[Brian707]

Some more details on the Kaplan FAKE news lol

 

http://awfulannouncing.com/local-networks/csn-chicagos-dave-kaplan-falls-fake-sonny-gray-rumor-refuses-take-l.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Agony and Ivy]

Some more details on the Kaplan FAKE news lol

 

http://awfulannouncing.com/local-networks/csn-chicagos-dave-kaplan-falls-fake-sonny-gray-rumor-refuses-take-l.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

That's so great. I love how sensitive he is about this horsefeathers too. He wants everyone to think he's an insider and then can't admit it when he gets something wrong.

[Tryptamine]

So it probably can't be done during the season, but what does it cost to bring Archie Bradley over from Arizona? He's still just 24 and absolutely killing it in the bullpen to the tune of a 1.50ERA 2.34FIP 2.77xFIP 10.71K/9 1.71BB/9. I'd love to have him as a #5 in 2018.

[d_money]

I hadn't seen this regarding the Fulmer talks earlier but they wanted Javy and Happ in any deal for him.

Haha, wtf Tigers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So just for scenario's sake, say the Cubs get Gray. They then have a full rotation of Lester,Quintana,Gray,Hendricks,Montgomery for 2018. They also have I believe roughly 65M coming off the books, minus the 10M for quintana and another roughly 15-20M for ARB 1 on Baez,Bryant,Russell,Hendricks and that leaves the Cubs in the neighborhood of 35-40M to spend on upgrades. I don't see a single bat in 2018 FA that I want so is it rolled into 2019, used to extend Wade or do you think they start locking up some of the young guys?

 

If you treat the payroll pre-Quintana(~175 million) as a ceiling,or at least a threshold we know is possible, and count 20 million for the arb guys(the only other one is Grimm, I assume Rondon is non-tendered), then you're at ~120 million give or take after Quintana and Gray. Baez, Schwarber, Happ, Edwards, Contreras, Montgomery, Almora are auto-renewals(assuming none go for Gray) and you're at less than 125 million for 17 guys, with relievers and bench players left to fill out the roster.

[Agony and Ivy]

So it probably can't be done during the season, but what does it cost to bring Archie Bradley over from Arizona? He's still just 24 and absolutely killing it in the bullpen to the tune of a 1.50ERA 2.34FIP 2.77xFIP 10.71K/9 1.71BB/9. I'd love to have him as a #5 in 2018.

 

Not sure the DBacks move him since he's their closer/relief ace next season. But, if he were moved, I'd want him nowhere near the rotation. He's a 2 pitch guy that can't start but the plus fastball and plus curveball combo is devastating out of the pen. He's been a lot of fun to watch this year

[Cubswin11]

So it probably can't be done during the season, but what does it cost to bring Archie Bradley over from Arizona? He's still just 24 and absolutely killing it in the bullpen to the tune of a 1.50ERA 2.34FIP 2.77xFIP 10.71K/9 1.71BB/9. I'd love to have him as a #5 in 2018.

Idk why they'd trade him and he'd probably take a real asset like Happ or something, which no thanks. I think his days as a SP are over.