Addison Russell

[mul21]

I keep hoping he’s hurt like Zo was last year and just needs the offseason to get healthy.

 

that would mean he's been unhealthy for 2 years in a row, which wouldn't fill me with confidence either

 

I think the personal life turmoil had a lot to do with last year's struggles. I'm certainly not counting on it, but I still see potential for a significant offensive improvement.

[17 Seconds]

 

 

Actually I don't think there were any suggested returns. It was a discussion about trading off our ML roster because the ml are pretty bare and posters were suggesting Happ and/or Almora and I posted that Russell and Schwarber ould be included because their "names" might get us a better return and we could have in house replacements.

 

i wanna see the receipts

 

edit: i found it. you wanted to trade russell for iglesias, with your reasoning being that he was more expendable with baez on the team, and it would open up 2b for happ. people gave you a hard time because they didn't like russell for iglesias, and your logic for wanting to move him was flawed. people were open to trading russell.

 

I don't think that was the only discussion that I was involved with concerning trading ML assets, but I sure wish we would have made that trade.

 

moving the goalposts

[JennieGarthAlgar]

My only issue with the idea of trading Russell, is I'm guessing his value isn't all that high

 

Well then maybe we should have traded him last year when his value was higher, hmmmmmm? ;)

 

[JennieGarthAlgar]

But he's only twenty fourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Yes, im bored at work and being petty and I horsefeathering cant stand Addison Russell at this point

[George Hayduke]

I'm hoping a lot of his really severe struggles lately have been due to nagging injuries. He suffered that hand/finger injury during the game vs Minnesota on July 1. Up to that point he had a 108 wRC+ on the year and was on pace for a 4-win season. When he went on the DL in Aug he admitted that he had been trying to fight through the hand injury plus a sore shoulder and I think something else as well (maybe a wrist thing?)

 

I'm not saying I still expect Barry Larkin v2.0 to emerge but he is better than he's been the past couple months and I think he will have a moderate offensive bounce back next year. Even as a guy who's hitting 10% below league average he would be adequately valuable to this team as an elite defensive MI with some power. At least more so than whatever the Cubs would probably be able to get for him in a trade.

[Backtobanks]

 

i wanna see the receipts

 

edit: i found it. you wanted to trade russell for iglesias, with your reasoning being that he was more expendable with baez on the team, and it would open up 2b for happ. people gave you a hard time because they didn't like russell for iglesias, and your logic for wanting to move him was flawed. people were open to trading russell.

 

I don't think that was the only discussion that I was involved with concerning trading ML assets, but I sure wish we would have made that trade.

 

moving the goalposts

 

 

I didn't move any goalposts. I've been saying all along that Russell should be one of the names considered when making a trade and multiple posters insisted that he was too valuable defensively to trade and that he was still too young and talented.

[jersey cubs fan]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

[minnesotacubsfan]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

 

there's also no reason to believe he will have future seasons full of nagging injuries either. however, his general dickheadedness is enough to consider trades.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

 

there's also no reason to believe he will have future seasons full of nagging injuries either. however, his general dickheadedness is enough to consider trades.

every ballplayer ever has had nagging injuries

[jersey cubs fan]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

 

there's also no reason to believe he will have future seasons full of nagging injuries either. however, his general dickheadedness is enough to consider trades.

every ballplayer ever has had nagging injuries

and russell in particular has never not had nagging injuries

[17 Seconds]

 

I don't think that was the only discussion that I was involved with concerning trading ML assets, but I sure wish we would have made that trade.

 

moving the goalposts

 

 

I didn't move any goalposts. I've been saying all along that Russell should be one of the names considered when making a trade and multiple posters insisted that he was too valuable defensively to trade and that he was still too young and talented.

 

you said people jumped all over you for suggesting to trade russell, and you still haven't shown evidence of this. lots of people were open to trading russell last offseason. like I said, if people got on your case, it must have been for other reasons.

[George Hayduke]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

[jersey cubs fan]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

the seed is spread too thin

[cl smooth]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

 

this might come off at nitpicking but didn't russell pull a hamstring or have leg issues before the 2015 NLCS and was left off the roster?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

 

this might come off at nitpicking but didn't russell pull a hamstring or have leg issues before the 2015 NLCS and was left off the roster?

yep. it was the beginning of the end for his health

[jersey cubs fan]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

 

this might come off at nitpicking but didn't russell pull a hamstring or have leg issues before the 2015 NLCS and was left off the roster?

yep, he got hurt running out a triple. He's gotten hurt roughly once a week ever since.

[17 Seconds]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

 

it's about nagging injuries affecting his performance as much as it's about missing games.

[Sammy Sofa]

In summation: Addison Russell has a lot of problems.

[minnesotacubsfan]

In summation: Addison Russell is a lot of problems.

 

fify

[ConstableRabbit]

He also has accumulated 3 nagging baby mamas in 3 years.

[George Hayduke]

even if his struggles are due to nagging injuries there's no reason to think he'll go through future seasons without nagging injuries that lead to struggles.

He didn't miss significant time in either 2015 or 2016, it's not like he's never been able to stay healthy for a whole season. There's no reason to expect he's going to miss 6 weeks every season for the next few years unless you think he's just chronically broken now at age 24.

 

it's about nagging injuries affecting his performance as much as it's about missing games.

I mean I get what you're saying. I guess the simple way of putting it is, even though he's been injured a couple times the past two years, I don't really think he's any more likely than most other players to be injured going forward, since his injuries haven't been chronic things like recurring back spasms or something. With the exception of the past two months, he's been adequately productive during his career when he's playing. So unless the assumption is both 1) he's much more likely than not to suffer ongoing injuries in the future and 2) those injuries are much more likely than not make his performance resemble that of the past two months, then he's probably at a value low right now and I'd rather just hang on to him than sell low in the offseason.

[davell]

Eh, he's a shitbag of a human, he's far from irreplaceable, and he's got tons of on the field issues at this point. Outside of defense, he offers very little. And hes starting to make decent money.

 

If he can net us a solid pen arm, and you get rid of his salary, go for it. We've still got the middle infield covered. We might need to move more than just Duensing and Kintzler this offseason, from a salary standpoint, if we want Bryce and Hamels back too. Russell is next on my list to go, after them, that's borderline reasonable to think about.

[sneakypower]

We've still got the middle infield covered.

we do?

[Sammy Sofa]

We've still got the middle infield covered.

we do?

 

For one more year, sort of, whenever Zobrist isn't old.