General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[CyHawk_Cub]

these new advanced metrics are getting out of hand.

 

[Bull]

So Marisnick destroys Lucroy, giving him a concussion and a broken nose and he gets a two game suspension.

 

Last night, an Angels relief pitcher plunked Marisnick intentionally in the upper back and gets a three game suspension.

 

I know it’s a pitcher so he’s not going to pitch every game. I’m fully behind giving pitchers (especially starters) longer suspensions because they can’t pitch every day. And this pitch was too high - it was a few inches from maybe hitting Marisnick in the head. Pitchers retaliate all the time and, as long as there’s no brawl, the most that usually happens is they get tossed. This pitcher didn’t get tossed so if they suspended him for a token game because of it, I’d be fine with that. But you can’t give the pitcher a longer suspension.

That is a one game suspension for a reliever.

[jersey cubs fan]

So Marisnick destroys Lucroy, giving him a concussion and a broken nose and he gets a two game suspension.

 

Last night, an Angels relief pitcher plunked Marisnick intentionally in the upper back and gets a three game suspension.

 

I know it’s a pitcher so he’s not going to pitch every game. I’m fully behind giving pitchers (especially starters) longer suspensions because they can’t pitch every day. And this pitch was too high - it was a few inches from maybe hitting Marisnick in the head. Pitchers retaliate all the time and, as long as there’s no brawl, the most that usually happens is they get tossed. This pitcher didn’t get tossed so if they suspended him for a token game because of it, I’d be fine with that. But you can’t give the pitcher a longer suspension.

That is a one game suspension for a reliever.

It's 3 days pay

[squally1313]

I'm on the fence for that one. The Marisnick play is definitely more dangerous, but he showed what seemed to be genuine remorse almost immediately afterwards (what that's worth will vary for people), and what he did was a split second decision and a play that was probably legal for at least some of his baseball career. Throwing at a player, even if you didn't mean to throw high, is a premeditated decision to hurt someone.

[BigSlick]

Just tooling around looking at stats and I see erstwhile Cub Jorge Soler currently has 26 homers on the year. The Royals have, astonishingly, no 40 homer year by a player ever, so he’s got a good chance at smashing that

[soccer10k]

I'm on the fence for that one. The Marisnick play is definitely more dangerous, but he showed what seemed to be genuine remorse almost immediately afterwards (what that's worth will vary for people), and what he did was a split second decision and a play that was probably legal for at least some of his baseball career. Throwing at a player, even if you didn't mean to throw high, is a premeditated decision to hurt someone.

 

I definitely don’t think it should be an eye for an eye type thing but for a play like this, I definitely think Lucroy’s injury should be taken into account. The same goes if a pitcher drills someone intentionally and breaks his hand or something (obviously this is harder to prove).

 

It’s definitely tough to take injury into account, not to mention the intent of the player, so I get why they don’t do it. But each player’s punishment in this case didn’t seem to fit the crime to me.

[OleMissCub]

omg

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0KS3xvnxkE/?igshid=hg6whlbmh54v

[We Got The Whole 9]

omg

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0KS3xvnxkE/?igshid=hg6whlbmh54v

I've never looked at a players fg page under pitch type and seen XX for unknown pitch. But that must be it. That pitch is horsefeathering dirty. Props to the Rays for giving the 32 year old a chance and having him let it rip.

[Derwood]

It's like some screwball/whiffleball nightmare pitch.

[Post Count Padder]

Mike Trout in 14 July games thus far: 11 home runs, 23 RBI, .302/.406/.981/1.387 batting line, all with a .152 BABIP :shock:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Mike Trout in 14 July games thus far: 11 home runs, 23 RBI, .302/.406/.981/1.387 batting line, all with a .152 BABIP :shock:

If he is so good why did they bench him the night I was in Anaheim?

[Brian]

Is it just me or is it crazy that scouts are still going to major league baseball games? There are still stories that teams x, y, z had scouts at say the Blue Jays game presumably looking at players they are interested in trading for. Is a guy in the stands of a game really going to get more out of it than the same guy sitting in an office with the ability to watch the AB's right back again and have instant access to launch angle, exit velocity etc etc ?

 

I maybe have just come up with Up in the Air but with scouts instead of firing people.

[jersey cubs fan]

Is it just me or is it crazy that scouts are still going to major league baseball games? There are still stories that teams x, y, z had scouts at say the Blue Jays game presumably looking at players they are interested in trading for. Is a guy in the stands of a game really going to get more out of it than the same guy sitting in an office with the ability to watch the AB's right back again and have instant access to launch angle, exit velocity etc etc ?

 

I maybe have just come up with Up in the Air but with scouts instead of firing people.

I figure half their job is to be diversionary smoke signals so other teams think they're interested in guys they aren't interested in, and the other half if shooting the horsefeathers with other scouts to try and gather information on others organizations.

[Cubswin11]

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[We Got The Whole 9]

 

We need to pry Conforto or Nimmo loose.

[Cubswin11]

 

We need to pry Conforto or Nimmo loose.

I’m a huge Conforto guy and would love to get him between now and the offseason. I think Nimmo got Mets’d already, he has some weird neck thing going on.

[Cubswin11]

The Mets would be duuuuuuuummb to trade those guys to anyone. Trading a 26 YO Syndergaard is about as Mets-y as they can get

Eh, it’s clear he’s never going to put it together there (idk if he ever does between the health and being more a thrower than a pitcher). He turns 27 at end of year, he has two years to FA. He still is gonna be valued high and they’d get a haul. It wouldn’t be the dumbest thing to move him now before he potentially blows out. Him and the team also seem to not have the greatest relationship. I get why they’d move him.

 

Whatever they do with him likely ends up the wrong move though. Either they trade him and a team that knows what they’re doing tweaks him to get him pitching to his potential and he stays healthy and the guys they get back flame out or they keep him and his arm/shoulder blows or he keeps being a good but not great pitcher who struggles to go more than ~150 innings a year.

[We Got The Whole 9]

 

We need to pry Conforto or Nimmo loose.

I’m a huge Conforto guy and would love to get him between now and the offseason. I think Nimmo got Mets’d already, he has some weird neck thing going on.

Yeah reports are that hes coming back sometime in the 2nd week of August. I think theres a possibility of one of them being moved in the offseason. They have McNeil, it looks like Rosario is gonna get moved to CF, so only 1 COF spot would remain. I think with Nimmo's neck causing such uncertainty they would probably like to move him first even though he has another year of control than Conforto does. Bulging disks are no joke but the upside is tantalizing enough that we should probably kick the tires at least.

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, it’s clear he’s never going to put it together there (idk if he ever does between the health and being more a thrower than a pitcher). He turns 27 at end of year, he has two years to FA. He still is gonna be valued high and they’d get a haul. It wouldn’t be the dumbest thing to move him now before he potentially blows out. Him and the team also seem to not have the greatest relationship. I get why they’d move him.

 

Whatever they do with him likely ends up the wrong move though. Either they trade him and a team that knows what they’re doing tweaks him to get him pitching to his potential and he stays healthy and the guys they get back flame out or they keep him and his arm/shoulder blows or he keeps being a good but not great pitcher who struggles to go more than ~150 innings a year.

 

I don't buy it. He was arguably their best SP down the WS appearance stretch in 2015 at 22, threw up a 5 WAR season for them at 23, and pulled 4 out of a hat at 25. He's already done some "put it together" type stuff over there, a 27 and 28 YO Syndergaard is still way way more likely to be a top of the league kind of talent than the prospects they'll get. If the Angels are dangling Adell++ or something wild there's a case, but otherwise the Mets are way better off giving Syndergaard

and their offseason more than a couple months.

 

They should sell Wheeler and Frazier, maybe Lugo since someone will pay up for a good reliever, play JD Davis and Dom Smith, probably time to move on from Rosario...There's a half dozen things they should do before trading Syndergaard (or Diaz) is a serious thing

#NotAllPitchers

[OleMissCub]

whoa, that Bo Jackson throw

 

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[JudasIscariotTheBird]

That looks like one of those silly poweraid commercials with the doctored video footage. I swear the ball speeds up as it approaches 2B.

[OleMissCub]

Jeeeeeeeeeezus

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0aFStKHT3K/?igshid=1dihnyay8vc8x

[TruffleShuffle]

well i will give this pitcher credit, most of the time guys just stand on the mound jawing at the dugout or the batter while waiting for his teammates to "hold him back." this dude just horsefeathering charges the dugout and tries to fight the entire team.

 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm just here to remind that Amir Garrett almost drilled me in the head with an errant bullpen fastball. I would say getting pounded by a group of guys was sufficient payback for that, but he did take a line drive off the shin and had to leave the game I attended.

[squally1313]

I'm not sure who that coach is since David Bell was ejected before this, but that little "go get em" butt slap to Garrett as he clearly turns towards the Pirates dugout is pretty great too.