College Football - Week 13 (Nov. 28)

[OleMissCub]

A program like LSU should have big expectations. 3 loss teams are unacceptable

Why? They spent the 80's and 90's losing 5-6 games almost every year. They lost 3 or more in 4 of Saban's 5 seasons. In 111 seasons they've averaged 3.5 losses per season.

 

History is irrelevant in the "what have you done for me lately" society we live in.

 

From what I can gather from being around a decent number of serious LSU fans, their dislike of Les comes down to two things: 1) He can't beat Saban consistently, and 2) He can't recruit super stud QB's.

 

From my vantage point, I think they should consider themselves lucky that they have a coach who has averaged 10 wins a year for 10 years in a row while playing in a difficult division.

[Andy]

LSU fans not liking Miles because he can't beat Saban consistently is a head-scratcher. No one has been able to beat Saban consistently - the only one who's close is Meyer, and even he bolted the SEC because he didn't want to deal with it anymore he went through a totally legit health crisis that magically evaporated after a year and hasn't returned.

[apete6]

A program like LSU should have big expectations. 3 loss teams are unacceptable

Why? They spent the 80's and 90's losing 5-6 games almost every year. They lost 3 or more in 4 of Saban's 5 seasons. In 111 seasons they've averaged 3.5 losses per season.

 

History is irrelevant in the "what have you done for me lately" society we live in.

 

From what I can gather from being around a decent number of serious LSU fans, their dislike of Les comes down to two things: 1) He can't beat Saban consistently, and 2) He can't recruit super stud QB's.

 

From my vantage point, I think they should consider themselves lucky that they have a coach who has averaged 10 wins a year for 10 years in a row while playing in a difficult division.

 

These people are morons. Didn't he recruit Ryan Perriloux? Brandon Harris was a 4*, Jennings was a 4*, Mettenberger was a 4*, Randall was a 4*. Zach Lee was a 4* before the Dodgers gave him F.U. money, Russell Shepherd was supposed to be awesome (what the hell happened to him?), Jordan Jefferson was probably a 4*, so was Jarrett Lee.

 

The recruiting isn't an issue, maybe could argue the coaching. Still, 10-3 should be a fine season for basically any program. To average that over 11 years anywhere not named Alabama or Notre Dame should get you a statue and a lifetime contract.

[jersey cubs fan]

A program like LSU should have big expectations. 3 loss teams are unacceptable

Why? They spent the 80's and 90's losing 5-6 games almost every year. They lost 3 or more in 4 of Saban's 5 seasons. In 111 seasons they've averaged 3.5 losses per season.

 

History is irrelevant in the "what have you done for me lately" society we live in.

 

From what I can gather from being around a decent number of serious LSU fans, their dislike of Les comes down to two things: 1) He can't beat Saban consistently, and 2) He can't recruit super stud QB's.

 

From my vantage point, I think they should consider themselves lucky that they have a coach who has averaged 10 wins a year for 10 years in a row while playing in a difficult division.

 

I get the stupidity of college football fans. But they've done better lately than in the past and the point was that derwood's characterization of "a program like LSU" is just inaccurate.

[OleMissCub]

 

These people are morons. Didn't he recruit Ryan Perriloux? Brandon Harris was a 4*, Jennings was a 4*, Mettenberger was a 4*, Randall was a 4*. Zach Lee was a 4* before the Dodgers gave him F.U. money, Russell Shepherd was supposed to be awesome (what the hell happened to him?), Jordan Jefferson was probably a 4*, so was Jarrett Lee.

 

The recruiting isn't an issue, maybe could argue the coaching. Still, 10-3 should be a fine season for basically any program. To average that over 11 years anywhere not named Alabama or Notre Dame should get you a statue and a lifetime contract.

 

Perriloux was dismissed from the program. Harris sucks and Jennings is HIS backup (that should tell you something). Mettenberger was a transfer from Georgia. Randall never took a single snap at LSU before transferring. Shepard was moved to WR. Jefferson was hit or miss and barely played by the end of his career. Lee was also essentially a bust.

 

I don't think the issue is that he can't get highly ranked QB's, it's just that they generally don't pan out, which could be his inability to coach them up or could be he just isn't good at evaluating which highly ranked QB's are overrated. He has never recruited a QB that was a multi-year consistently good QB at LSU.

[sneakypower]

wasn't LSU a brief stop on the Gunner Kiel* Tour?

 

*another victim of a targeting penalty/non-penalty/maybe-penalty/who-really-knows

[KingCubsFan]

wasn't LSU a brief stop on the Gunner Kiel* Tour?

 

*another victim of a targeting penalty/non-penalty/maybe-penalty/who-really-knows

He flipped to Notre Dame right before classes started. I believe he was the one that Les said didn't have the "stomach" for LSU.

[apete6]

 

These people are morons. Didn't he recruit Ryan Perriloux? Brandon Harris was a 4*, Jennings was a 4*, Mettenberger was a 4*, Randall was a 4*. Zach Lee was a 4* before the Dodgers gave him F.U. money, Russell Shepherd was supposed to be awesome (what the hell happened to him?), Jordan Jefferson was probably a 4*, so was Jarrett Lee.

 

The recruiting isn't an issue, maybe could argue the coaching. Still, 10-3 should be a fine season for basically any program. To average that over 11 years anywhere not named Alabama or Notre Dame should get you a statue and a lifetime contract.

 

Perriloux was dismissed from the program. Harris sucks and Jennings is HIS backup (that should tell you something). Mettenberger was a transfer from Georgia. Randall never took a single snap at LSU before transferring. Shepard was moved to WR. Jefferson was hit or miss and barely played by the end of his career. Lee was also essentially a bust.

 

I don't think the issue is that he can't get highly ranked QB's, it's just that they generally don't pan out, which could be his inability to coach them up or could be he just isn't good at evaluating which highly ranked QB's are overrated. He has never recruited a QB that was a multi-year consistently good QB at LSU.

 

Fair enough and obviously most of those guys didn't pan out, but it's not that he's whiffing on recruiting, its that the development isn't there and/or the rankings are wrong. Either way, the guy's average year is 10-3 in one of the hardest divisions in college football. Besides money and a good recruiting base, why would anyone want that job with those expectations?

[Derwood]

I want every school to have high expectations of their coaches.

[apete6]

I want every school to have high expectations of their coaches.

 

High but realistic. Ask Nebraska how thinking they are something they're not is working out for them? No one would touch that job after they canned a 9-4 coach so they settled for Howdy Doody and now they suck.

[jersey cubs fan]

I want every school to have high expectations of their coaches.

how noble of you

[CubInOK]

This thread makes me happy OU didn't get rid of Bob Stoops last year.

[NewUserName]

But then again they probably should have lost to Michigan (yes I know MSU outplayed them statistically)

untrue parenthetical

 

Michigan and MSU had 13 possessions and on average Michigan had a 14-yard advantage in field position. That is a whopping 182 yards almost entirely due to special teams, and that's how you lead a team that's outgained you by 160 yards until that thing happened.

 

valid point. i thought the game was fairly evenly played, i was mostly going off of high level statistics which you've just debunked.

after the game I said Michigan was winning because they were dominating special teams....then one play flipped the script. I don't think MSU got screwed in Nebraska, they screwed up.

[NewUserName]

This thread makes me happy OU didn't get rid of Bob Stoops last year.

Michigan fans couldn't wait to get rid of Lloyd Carr. They suffered for several yrs until they backed into Harbaugh. I think teams like Oklahoma or LSU need to be very careful when getting rid of successful coaches.

[philosophizer75]

Nebraska really doesn't suck this year. Sure the typical husker fan expects a national championship every year, but its their first year under Riley, so I personally wasn't even expecting a 10 win season. They've lost 4 games in the last 30 seconds of the game, 1 game in overtime, and 1 bad one against Purdue where they still almost came back in the 4th. I think they're gonna be just fine as soon as next year. You could really see the team come together with the MSU win, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them stick with Iowa this week either. [expletive], a win makes them bowl eligible even with all the heartbreaker losses earlier this year. I dunno, I just don't think they suck.

[Andy]

Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4, MSU 5, ND 6. Anyone who thought ND was ever getting in over a one loss Oklahoma was naive. ND now needs 2 of those 3 teams to lose before the season ends - a win at Stanford wouldn't be good enough to leapfrog any of those teams.

[Derwood]

I want every school to have high expectations of their coaches.

how noble of you

 

Noble? No, it's expecting to win. It's schools like Purdue and Illinois who pay pennies for coaches because they don't care if they win that are the problem (and drag the conference down).

[Guest]

holy smokes, this was serious and not a bit?

 

Miles has won 10 games a year in the SEC West for over a decade. Firing him after back to back 8 win seasons is how you throw yourself back into college football purgatory.

[jersey cubs fan]

I want every school to have high expectations of their coaches.

how noble of you

 

Noble? No, it's expecting to win. It's schools like Purdue and Illinois who pay pennies for coaches because they don't care if they win that are the problem (and drag the conference down).

illinois being a perennial dog is related to your ridiculous 3 loss comment about LSU how?

[SouthSideRyan]

Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4, MSU 5, ND 6. Anyone who thought ND was ever getting in over a one loss Oklahoma was naive. ND now needs 2 of those 3 teams to lose before the season ends - a win at Stanford wouldn't be good enough to leapfrog any of those teams.

 

1 of those 3 is guaranteed to lose.

[CubInOK]

Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4, MSU 5, ND 6. Anyone who thought ND was ever getting in over a one loss Oklahoma was naive. ND now needs 2 of those 3 teams to lose before the season ends - a win at Stanford wouldn't be good enough to leapfrog any of those teams.

 

1 of those 3 is guaranteed to lose.

If Alabama loses to Auburn or Florida, do they really deserve a playoff spot?

[Andy]

Oklahoma 3, Iowa 4, MSU 5, ND 6. Anyone who thought ND was ever getting in over a one loss Oklahoma was naive. ND now needs 2 of those 3 teams to lose before the season ends - a win at Stanford wouldn't be good enough to leapfrog any of those teams.

 

1 of those 3 is guaranteed to lose.

If Alabama loses to Auburn or Florida, do they really deserve a playoff spot?

I doubt Auburn or Florida is remotely good enough, but no, they wouldn't.

[bcl412]

I'm not sure how a team that lost to a that that Iowa State beat by 24 gets to be 3rd.

[Guest]

I'm not sure how a team that lost to a that that Iowa State beat by 24 gets to be 3rd.

 

Are you just saying that Iowa should be 3rd or that OU shouldn't be in the top-4 at all?

[bcl412]

I'm not sure how a team that lost to a that that Iowa State beat by 24 gets to be 3rd.

 

Are you just saying that Iowa should be 3rd or that OU shouldn't be in the top-4 at all?

I don't agree with Oklahoma at third. I think i would have left Notre Dame there or i could see putting Michigan State in. I hate that Texas lost and the theme of losses not mattering as much as they should annoys me.