Castillo to the Mariners

[Rob]

Looks like they're hoping for Strop 2.0, but I'm concerned about the velocity drop and corresponding drop in swinging strike rate.

[Guest]

there's also the equation that Bosio + those guys = known dumpster fire, while Bosio + Medina = a world of possibilities

 

Motte's last 47 appearances ('14-'15) have yielded a 5.96 FIP, and ownership of the 5th-most destructive RP WAR during that span; i strongly resent any suggestion that he can be a valuable part of this team

 

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

[Guest]

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[sontensei]

there's also the equation that Bosio + those guys = known dumpster fire, while Bosio + Medina = a world of possibilities

 

Motte's last 47 appearances ('14-'15) have yielded a 5.96 FIP, and ownership of the 5th-most destructive RP WAR during that span; i strongly resent any suggestion that he can be a valuable part of this team

 

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

 

Considering La Stella re-injured himself and the bench was short maybe this was the best they could do knowing they need to get another non-pitcher back on the club. Sczcur has to wait 10 days or something like that, i wonder if they go with an arm or call up Baez... intriguing to say the least.

[Banedon]

Alcantara?

 

I'm being uncharitable with the exact dates, but he has not been doing well with Iowa. Last 2 weeks he's at 60 PA, .185/.237/.296, 18/4 K/BB

 

Fair enough, I was just thinking roster wise, it'd be easy to bring him up for however long you need to until you can bring Szczur back, since he's already been on the big league team this year.

[Guest]

Considering La Stella re-injured himself and the bench was short maybe this was the best they could do knowing they need to get another non-pitcher back on the club. Sczcur has to wait 10 days or something like that, i wonder if they go with an arm or call up Baez... intriguing to say the least.

 

They knew they needed to get another position player on the 25 man roster, so they traded a position player for a pitcher?

[UK1679666180]

Looks like they're hoping for Strop 2.0, but I'm concerned about the velocity drop and corresponding drop in swinging strike rate.

He's throwing more sinkers than 4 seamers neither one is a plus pitch.

 

He needs to pitch off his curve similar to how Marmol pitched off his slider. His curve at times flashes 70 and is generally around 60/65.

[sneakypower]

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

what is it in particular you like?

 

his 5.28 ERA?

his 5.10 FIP?

his 5.77 xFIP?

the 6.49 FIP in '14?

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

what is it in particular you like?

 

his 5.28 ERA?

his 5.10 FIP?

his 5.77 xFIP?

the 6.49 FIP in '14?

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[Schmidt]

Seattle talk radio is perplexed and or flummoxed that the M's would have to give up such value to get a third-string catcher.

[Rob]

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

what is it in particular you like?

 

his 5.28 ERA?

his 5.10 FIP?

his 5.77 xFIP?

the 6.49 FIP in '14?

 

In fairness, his fastball velocity is increased over last year, as is his f-strike% and zone%. So there's at least some hope for his strikeout rate and walk rates to improve a bit.

 

How much hope? I don't know. But I like him better than Schlitter.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I think the motivation to trade now rather than later increased due to the roster crunch / 3 catcher / no bench issues that have probably irked Maddon.

[UK1679666180]

Seattle talk radio is perplexed and or flummoxed that the M's would have to give up such value to get a third-string catcher.

That's a combo of sports talk radio and homerism. They're both marginal players.

[Guest]

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

what is it in particular you like?

 

That his velocity has bounced back, mostly. The fact that his FIP was a run lower a week ago is more a sign that we're talking about pretty volatile samples too.

 

Again though, this is to say that I think Motte is of the same caliber of the type of pitcher that's currently on the AAA shuttle with this bullpen, I'm not holding out hope that he becomes a relief ace. If he struggles for much longer though, with the accrued depth since the season started(Germen, Varvaro, Medina to go along with Rivero and potentially Edwards), he's probably going to find himself in Coke's position.

[Guest]

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I think the motivation to trade now rather than later increased due to the roster crunch / 3 catcher / no bench issues that have probably irked Maddon.

 

I just don't see how trading Castillo for a pitcher fixes that problem now. The lack of bench options is way more a function of injuries than of lack of roster spots. I guess having Lake and Szczur on the same roster in a week is more flexible than having Castillo and Szczur, but in practice I don't think it's making a big difference.

[SouthSideRyan]

there's also the equation that Bosio + those guys = known dumpster fire, while Bosio + Medina = a world of possibilities

 

Motte's last 47 appearances ('14-'15) have yielded a 5.96 FIP, and ownership of the 5th-most destructive RP WAR during that span; i strongly resent any suggestion that he can be a valuable part of this team

 

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I'm no cheerleader for Motte, but I don't share your pessimism that he's hemorrhaging value in his current role.

 

Considering La Stella re-injured himself and the bench was short maybe this was the best they could do knowing they need to get another non-pitcher back on the club. Sczcur has to wait 10 days or something like that, i wonder if they go with an arm or call up Baez... intriguing to say the least.

 

So replacing a hitter with a hitter?

[Guest]

i wouldn't be shocked if it's Javy coming up

 

Beat writers don't think it is, but it was the first thought I had too.

 

i kinda want to see him implement what he's doing for at least 2-3 more weeks before they make that call, though.

[mred]

By my calculations, if we leave Javy in Iowa until at least 6/11 then we get another year of control. He's not necessarily the Bryant type that would likely never be demoted again, but it's still a minor consideration.

[SouthSideRyan]

i wouldn't be shocked if it's Javy coming up

 

Beat writers don't think it is, but it was the first thought I had too.

 

i kinda want to see him implement what he's doing for at least 2-3 more weeks before they make that call, though.

 

June 11th buys an extra year of service.

[Andy]

I'd be surprised if an extra year of service is a big motivator at this point, but I think it makes sense to leave him in AAA for a while and see - hopefully - more results from whatever tweaks he's been making. The extra year would, I suppose, be a pleasant side effect of that plan.

[DiamondMind]

Love it

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sure, I'm not saying that Medina is a terrible return, but if a bullpen reclamation is the best we can do right now, why not wait until there's actually someone who can take the roster spot? Medina or a Medina equivalent is likely to be available for Castillo in a month or two.

 

I think the motivation to trade now rather than later increased due to the roster crunch / 3 catcher / no bench issues that have probably irked Maddon.

 

Due to his weak offensive numbers, his value was at an all time low. Due to his lack of PT, it had nowhere to go but down. It was take the first viable offer or DFA him, in which case he probably wouldn't have made it through waivers. Short answer; it was a case of something's better than nothing.

[Gilby]

If Javy were that close to being called up, he'd be playing other positions. I doubt they move Russell to 3B since he's already in the majors and hasn't played there before either. I don't think we see Javy for awhile.

 

Villanueva would be the favorite to get the call, I would think. Or it could be Andreoli I guess, taking Coke's 40 man spot.

[Guest]

maddon, on his spiegs and goff appearance, basically confirmed it wasn't javy but wouldn't elaborate on who it was

[Ding Dong Johnson]

maddon, on his spiegs and goff appearance, basically confirmed it wasn't javy but wouldn't elaborate on who it was

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