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Is a hot dog a sandwich?

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Well, now this isn't fun anymore.

You can only get so much fun out of a hot dog.

 

Or any other sandwich, really.

[restart thread] a hot dog isn't a sandwich[/restart thread]

 

 

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Wrong, the only way it wouldn't be considered a sandwich would be if they separated sub sandwiches into it's own category and not called it a sandwich.

 

They need to make up their mind on whether a sandwich only consists of bread and has to be separated, if they do that then a hot dog wouldn't be considered a sandwich.

 

Until then...

 

Sandwich.

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Sometimes the bottom of the hot dog bun splits, especially if you buy cheap ones (and you know I do). Does it transubstantiate into a sandwich in that moment?

 

Any hot dog bought at a gas station doesn't constitute being either a sandwich or a hot dog at that point.

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My pound cake craving can't be fulfilled with a pancake or even birthday cake, yet they are both cakes.

 

 

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Sandwiches and subs are very similar foods, but are ultimately their own things.

 

If you promise a group of people subs and then present them with a bunch of sandwiches they will rightly be perplexed and frustrated as to why you are playing cruel food games with them. On the flipside, if you promise people sandwiches and bring them subs, they will be pleasantly surprised (because subs are inherently superior). Either way, people's perceptions are very, very different with these types of foods despite their many similarities.

 

Maybe the answer is looking at something like linguine vs. udon. Both are noodles, yet both are not pasta.

 

well, both are not italian noodles, which is the cultural definition of pasta. all pasta really means is paste, as in the original form of the noodle. using that definition, all members of the noodle family are paste first, and are therefore all pasta regardless of continent/culture of origin. we just don't consider that a meaningful working definition because of common usage

 

but you're conflating common usage with our very academic food classification discussion. in common usage, you probably would never say "let's go get sandwiches" and drive straight towards your favorite sub shop. but in the academic sense a sub is very much a sandwich (using my definition which is clearly the best). my guess is that the sub predates the sliced-loaf sandwich by many years, if not ages. mapping the familial tree, however, whereby the purest form is the parent and all variations are branches from the main, a submarine is a child of the sliced-bread sandwich; defined by the bread, but different enough that it warrants its own branch. the same goes with the "burger" and its variations, open-faced things like the horseshoe and the hot brown, etc.

 

wraps are not sandwiches, they are gringo burritos and deserve a fate not unlike kim jong un's uncle

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Well, now this isn't fun anymore.

You can only get so much fun out of a hot dog.

 

Or any other sandwich, really.

[restart thread] a hot dog isn't a sandwich[/restart thread]

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Wrong, the only way it wouldn't be considered a sandwich would be if they separated sub sandwiches into it's own category and not called it a sandwich.

 

They need to make up their mind on whether a sandwich only consists of bread and has to be separated, if they do that then a hot dog wouldn't be considered a sandwich.

 

Until then...

 

Sandwich.

 

a hot dog is not a sub lol wtf are you talking about

 

again; the bread on the hot dog is evolved to hold the hot dog (or other sausage) in the hand while digesting. ergo, the form of the bread follows function. this is the opposite of how a sandwich is defined. people didn't have a bunch of sliced meat sitting around and were like oh i better make some bread to hold this

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Or any other sandwich, really.

[restart thread] a hot dog isn't a sandwich[/restart thread]

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Wrong, the only way it wouldn't be considered a sandwich would be if they separated sub sandwiches into it's own category and not called it a sandwich.

 

They need to make up their mind on whether a sandwich only consists of bread and has to be separated, if they do that then a hot dog wouldn't be considered a sandwich.

 

Until then...

 

Sandwich.

 

a hot dog is not a sub lol wtf are you talking about

 

again; the bread on the hot dog is evolved to hold the hot dog (or other sausage) in the hand while digesting. ergo, the form of the bread follows function. this is the opposite of how a sandwich is defined. people didn't have a bunch of sliced meat sitting around and were like oh i better make some bread to hold this

 

It closer to the definition of a sub sandwich than it is a sandwich, given the greater difference in the set-up of the bread from a sandwich (separated) than a sub sandwich (not separated)

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people didn't have a bunch of sliced meat sitting around and were like oh i better make some bread to hold this

 

 

They didn't have sliced bread laying around either.

 

but they did have loaves, which is why the "sub" was likely the first form of sandwich

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My pound cake craving can't be fulfilled with a pancake or even birthday cake, yet they are both cakes.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Sandwiches and subs are very similar foods, but are ultimately their own things.

 

If you promise a group of people subs and then present them with a bunch of sandwiches they will rightly be perplexed and frustrated as to why you are playing cruel food games with them. On the flipside, if you promise people sandwiches and bring them subs, they will be pleasantly surprised (because subs are inherently superior). Either way, people's perceptions are very, very different with these types of foods despite their many similarities.

 

Maybe the answer is looking at something like linguine vs. udon. Both are noodles, yet both are not pasta.

 

wraps ... they are gringo burritos and deserve a fate not unlike kim jong un's uncle

While you started out really well in that post, you are in fact a monster.

 

 

 

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Has anyone addressed the fact or taken into consideration that hot dogs are meat and not a combo entity of meat and bread? I still stand by the fact that sandwiches are defined by the inclusion of bread used in a specific fashion, but hot dogs are defined by the meat substance. Replace a hot dog with a bratwurst, but leave it on the same bun, it is no longer a hot dog, it's a bratwurst. Same with any other type of sausage. Even if you find a place that sells turkey based hot dogs, they sell them as Turkey Dogs, not hot dogs.

 

Hot dogs (and similarly shaped concoctions of phallic shaped meat between two buns [

]) are defined by the meat substance, whereas sandwiches are defined by the inclusion of bread used in a specific fashion.

 

Hot dogs are not sandwiches.

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Has anyone addressed the fact or taken into consideration that hot dogs are meat and not a combo entity of meat and bread? I still stand by the fact that sandwiches are defined by the inclusion of bread used in a specific fashion, but hot dogs are defined by the meat substance. Replace a hot dog with a bratwurst, but leave it on the same bun, it is no longer a hot dog, it's a bratwurst. Same with any other type of sausage. Even if you find a place that sells turkey based hot dogs, they sell them as Turkey Dogs, not hot dogs.

 

Hot dogs (and similarly shaped concoctions of phallic shaped meat between two buns [

]) are defined by the meat substance, whereas sandwiches are defined by the inclusion of bread used in a specific fashion.

 

Hot dogs are not sandwiches.

 

 

the hot dog sandwich conversation obviously refers to a hot dog on a bun, not just the hot dog itself.

 

i have no idea what you mean with the bold.

 

replace the meatballs on a loaf of bread with tuna and it is no longer a meatball sandwich, it's a tuna sandwich.

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people didn't have a bunch of sliced meat sitting around and were like oh i better make some bread to hold this

 

 

They didn't have sliced bread laying around either.

 

but they did have loaves, which is why the "sub" was likely the first form of sandwich

 

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Wrong, the only way it wouldn't be considered a sandwich would be if they separated sub sandwiches into it's own category and not called it a sandwich.

 

They need to make up their mind on whether a sandwich only consists of bread and has to be separated, if they do that then a hot dog wouldn't be considered a sandwich.

 

Until then...

 

Sandwich.

 

a hot dog is not a sub lol wtf are you talking about

 

again; the bread on the hot dog is evolved to hold the hot dog (or other sausage) in the hand while digesting. ergo, the form of the bread follows function. this is the opposite of how a sandwich is defined. people didn't have a bunch of sliced meat sitting around and were like oh i better make some bread to hold this

 

It closer to the definition of a sub sandwich than it is a sandwich, given the greater difference in the set-up of the bread from a sandwich (separated) than a sub sandwich (not separated)

 

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

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is a croissant a sandwich?

 

http://www.savingmoneyinmissouri.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/09/Croissan%E2%80%99wich.jpg

 

It's right in the name! Croissan'wich. Duh.

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