Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Guest]

I'd give up a couple of our pitching prospects for Hamels. The only hitter I'd trade for him that would be near my top 10 would be Vogelbach.

 

Say, PJ, Black and Starling Peralta for Hamels. Neither of teh first two guys can throw strikes right now, but who knows what Amaro would value. Oh yeah, if I'm giving up that much, they have to eat around $3-5M per year to make it a more palatable contract.

 

That fits with the recently stated organization philosophy that experienced pitching > pitching prospects. It also gives Amaro a way to buy into the trade with a "top 100" pitcher included in the deal.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No interest whatsoever. His arm is toast.

[d_money]

No interest whatsoever. His arm is toast.

Yep

[Guest]

He's pitching pretty well for his arm being toast.

 

 

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This is the second hardest fastball velocity he's had in his career. If he's suffering from the workload, it has yet to show in any form of results I can see.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's pitching pretty well for his arm being toast.

 

That's how they suck you in.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's pitching pretty well for his arm being toast.

 

It's that lighly done toast that just melts the peanut butter perfectly. It's bound to be eaten soon and that's when he will start pitching poorly.

[Guest]

I was slow with my edit but this is the second hardest fastball velocity he's had in his career. If he's suffering from the workload, it has yet to show in any form of results I can see.

[Guest]

He's pitching pretty well for his arm being toast.

 

 

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This is the second hardest fastball velocity he's had in his career. If he's suffering from the workload, it has yet to show in any form of results I can see.

 

 

IT'S TOAST I TELL YOU

[Tryptamine]

I was slow with my edit but this is the second hardest fastball velocity he's had in his career. If he's suffering from the workload, it has yet to show in any form of results I can see.

 

I'd expect to have it show up next year or 2016, but who knows. Sandberg still has half a season to test out that arm.

[davell]

It's a necessary evil. And we've got tons of money to spend(40-50 mill) with very few longterm needs other than pitching. So which of the FA available seem to be a better value than what's left on Hamels deal?

 

Top tier

Scherzer

Lester

Shields

 

2nd tier

Hammel

Liriano

Masterson

Beckett

Santana

 

3rd tier

McCarthy

De La Rosa

Dempster

Correia

Kendrick

Hernandez

Peavy

 

 

 

Rehab flyers

Billingsley

Anderson

Johnson

 

I may have guy or two in a wrong tier(Beckett?) but still.....These are our options in FA outside of non-tenders.....

 

 

I'll call it now: Hamels is NOT dealt in July, but we shock everyone and make a claim on him and things get interesting, as Amaro is looking to dump salary. We won't offer any top prospects, but who knows? It's Amaro, anything is possible.

[Clem Fandango]

Liriano has been pretty bad this year. I know his upside is 2nd tier, but his numbers this year probably won't have him getting paid like a 2nd tier guy. I'd definitely try and buy low on him in the offseason and add a guy like Lester as well. He's currently got a 0.4 fWAR and a -0.3 rWAR. 77 ERA+. 4.60 ERA. 1.45 WHIP. 4.5 BB/9... but he's got a 9.6 K/9 and a 3.49 xFIP. He fits the mold, and I'd love to see what Bosio can do with him. His overall numbers this year are sloppy so who knows what he's gonna try and get on the market given his previous year was really good.

 

Also wouldn't mind McCarthy

[Tryptamine]

It's a necessary evil. And we've got tons of money to spend(40-50 mill) with very few longterm needs other than pitching. So which of the FA available seem to be a better value than what's left on Hamels deal?

 

Top tier

Scherzer

Lester

Shields

 

2nd tier

Hammel

Liriano

Masterson

Beckett

Santana

 

3rd tier

McCarthy

De La Rosa

Dempster

Correia

Kendrick

Hernandez

Peavy

 

 

 

Rehab flyers

Billingsley

Anderson

Johnson

 

I may have guy or two in a wrong tier(Beckett?) but still.....These are our options in FA outside of non-tenders.....

 

 

I'll call it now: Hamels is NOT dealt in July, but we shock everyone and make a claim on him and things get interesting, as Amaro is looking to dump salary. We won't offer any top prospects, but who knows? It's Amaro, anything is possible.

 

I'd like Lester on a 5/100 deal. Then give me any of Liriano/McCarthy/Demp/Masterson on a one year deal. Shields is a wildcard for me. If he pitches like he has since May then I want no part of him, same thing if he wants a 5+ year deal. However, if he recovers and pitches like he did in his last start then I wouldn't mind him on a 3/55 year deal with a 4th year option(18M) even though he's 33.

[Clem Fandango]

Shields is too old at this point, Cubs probably won't even bother considering him.

[Guest]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

[jersey cubs fan]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

[davell]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

 

Yeah, I didn't actually ask a true question there. But if Hamels can be had for his entire contract and we give up nothing higher in value than Johnson and Vogelbach, where does he rank in the top tier guys? Personally, I'd put him 1st.

[jersey cubs fan]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

 

Yeah, I didn't actually ask a true question there. But if Hamels can be had for his entire contract and we give up nothing higher in value than Johnson and Vogelbach, where does he rank in the top tier guys? Personally, I'd put him 1st.

 

And of course the key is not to make sure you get the most value out of your selection, but actually getting a selection. If you trade for a guy, he's yours and you don't have to deal with the bidding process that the Cubs have struggled with for free agents.

[SouthSideRyan]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Amaro's thought processes should be considered the same way Kevin Towers's are.

[Tryptamine]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

 

Yeah, I didn't actually ask a true question there. But if Hamels can be had for his entire contract and we give up nothing higher in value than Johnson and Vogelbach, where does he rank in the top tier guys? Personally, I'd put him 1st.

 

Why would you have him ahead of Lester? Yeah he's not quite as good as Hamels, but he also would take zero prospects and doesn't have a history of arm issues.

[illiniguy]

Wait, isn't Ryan Dempster retired?

[Tryptamine]

Wait, isn't Ryan Dempster retired?

 

Took the year off.

[illiniguy]

Wait, isn't Ryan Dempster retired?

 

Took the year off.

I can't think that I would want any part of him after a year off at his age.

[davell]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

 

Yeah, I didn't actually ask a true question there. But if Hamels can be had for his entire contract and we give up nothing higher in value than Johnson and Vogelbach, where does he rank in the top tier guys? Personally, I'd put him 1st.

 

Why would you have him ahead of Lester? Yeah he's not quite as good as Hamels, but he also would take zero prospects and doesn't have a history of arm issues.

 

I've got little confidence in getting top guys to commit here without seriously overbidding until we're better. I saw Gammons mention 5/120 on Lester, by the way. I'd take Hamels at less money and it'd help show the FA class a few months later we're trying to compete. Possibly helping land a good OF or even another solid SP.

[Tryptamine]

Which is it, that Hamels is a better value than any potential FA, or that Amaro will be happy to see his contract gone via waivers for a minimal return?

 

Something more than minimal, but still affordable.

 

Yeah, I didn't actually ask a true question there. But if Hamels can be had for his entire contract and we give up nothing higher in value than Johnson and Vogelbach, where does he rank in the top tier guys? Personally, I'd put him 1st.

 

Why would you have him ahead of Lester? Yeah he's not quite as good as Hamels, but he also would take zero prospects and doesn't have a history of arm issues.

 

I've got little confidence in getting top guys to commit here without seriously overbidding until we're better. I saw Gammons mention 5/120 on Lester, by the way. I'd take Hamels at less money and it'd help show the FA class a few months later we're trying to compete. Possibly helping land a good OF or even another solid SP.

 

I would think Theo's relationship with Lester would help quite a bit, but if it did indeed take soemthing like 5/120 then yeah I'd be out on him. After the Red Sox offered him 4/73 and he declined, I thought there was a rumor that he'd have accepted at 5/100.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, why does McCarthy keep coming up? Is it just assumed that Bosio can fix him?