Schwarber Stuff

[EhDubya]

But a crappy hitting catcher doesn't kill you as bad as either a crappy defensive catcher...........

 

 

Does a crappy defensive catcher really kill you that much?

 

 

If you're Koyie Hill, yes. Mike Piazza, no.

Edited July 16, 2014 by EhDubya

[mul21]

But a crappy hitting catcher doesn't kill you as bad as either a crappy defensive catcher...........

 

 

Does a crappy defensive catcher really kill you that much?

 

As long as he's not giving up a TON of passballs and is totally incapable of throwing even slow base stealers out I feel like a catchers defense may not be as important as purists make it seem.

 

 

 

Has their been any research on this besides for Joe Buck's opinions?

 

Yes, it does. Go look at some of the games Jake Fox caught and tell me it doesn't matter. I have no idea if Schwarber will be bad, but if he is, it will make a difference.

[Guest]

But a crappy hitting catcher doesn't kill you as bad as either a crappy defensive catcher...........

 

 

Does a crappy defensive catcher really kill you that much?

 

As long as he's not giving up a TON of passballs and is totally incapable of throwing even slow base stealers out I feel like a catchers defense may not be as important as purists make it seem.

 

 

 

Has their been any research on this besides for Joe Buck's opinions?

 

Yes, it does. Go look at some of the games Jake Fox caught and tell me it doesn't matter. I have no idea if Schwarber will be bad, but if he is, it will make a difference.

 

I think they're talking like bad for an MLB catcher not like bad for a human.

[Abe Frohman]

When considering the defensive position, I'd rather a catcher that can hit, over a hitter than can catch - if that makes sense. Defense is too important behind the plate with consideration to the battery, shutting down a running game, etc.

 

If Schwarber is an exceptional catcher, so be it. If he is an exceptional hitter who is a decent to below average catcher - I think it would be better if he learned another position in order to keep his bat in a ML lineup without hurting the team defensively.

[Guest]

If he's a decent catcher then he absolutely should be at catcher.

[jersey cubs fan]

When considering the defensive position, I'd rather a catcher that can hit, over a hitter than can catch - if that makes sense. Defense is too important behind the plate with consideration to the battery, shutting down a running game, etc.

 

If Schwarber is an exceptional catcher, so be it. If he is an exceptional hitter who is a decent to below average catcher - I think it would be better if he learned another position in order to keep his bat in a ML lineup without hurting the team defensively.

 

Your theory only makes sense if you can be assured of actually acquiring an "exceptional defensive catcher" through other means. You can't be assured of that.

[neely crenshaw]

got to see him last week when KC played Quad cities. He is a ton. He is much more than a "power" bat. He made great adjustments during at bats, and drove the ball to all fields. Opened against a righty starter throwing 90-91, and took a 2 strike pitch off the wall in

in left center. 3rd at bat they brought in a lefty to face him. He looked bad on pitch 1, then fouled off a couple, then took a 1-2 pitch off the wall in right center. Next at bat, they brought in a "closer" who was bringing it in the 94-95 range. he drilled a fastball right back up the middle…

I paid close attention to his catching. He looked solid behind the plate, but he didn't have much to block so tough to tell a lot. He definitely has the arm. He threw bb's every time throwing down. He also threw out a runner (who had 30 steals on the year) pretty easily.

His bat is clearly near ready or at least closer than his defense but he could definitely catch. There is a good possibility that they won't need to rush him because they have so many other options in the field. Without trading anyone, they have infielders Bryant, Castro, Baez, and Rizzo- with Russell and Alcantara.

Then you have outfielders Mckinney, Almora and Soler. If 2 of the infielders move to the outfield, then we really don't have a need or a spot for him, other than catching.

Every player on that list is ahead of him in the system. Now he is moving up faster than anyone, but it certainly looks like we have the depth to wait for his defense to come along.

[Guest]

it's amazing to me that he's had so much early success with throwing because i thought i had read around draft time that he was basically rube baker out there

 

wonder if they've tweaked anything

[Neuby]

I see the position move as the exact opposite. With Javy learning a new position it makes sense to leave him at Iowa to continue to get instruction and keep the arb block from starting.

[Guest]

I see the position move as the exact opposite. With Javy learning a new position it makes sense to leave him at Iowa to continue to get instruction and keep the arb block from starting.

 

uh what

[davell]

I'd be trying right now to get Javy locked up longterm. 6 years, with a couple of options. I hope we give him September anyway, to help get his initial struggles out of the way. Cool that Mooney thinks Soler may get an audition too.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd be trying right now to get Javy locked up longterm. 6 years, with a couple of options. I hope we give him September anyway, to help get his initial struggles out of the way. Cool that Mooney thinks Soler may get an audition too.

 

I have zero interest in giving six years of guaranteed money to a guy striking out 30% of the time in AAA.

[Guest]

I'd be trying right now to get Javy locked up longterm. 6 years, with a couple of options. I hope we give him September anyway, to help get his initial struggles out of the way. Cool that Mooney thinks Soler may get an audition too.

 

I have zero interest in giving six years of guaranteed money to a guy striking out 30% of the time in AAA.

 

oh shut up you know he's amazing

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And it will be amazing to have him under non-guaranteed control for 6+ years.

[Guest]

I'd be trying right now to get Javy locked up longterm. 6 years, with a couple of options. I hope we give him September anyway, to help get his initial struggles out of the way. Cool that Mooney thinks Soler may get an audition too.

 

I have zero interest in giving six years of guaranteed money to a guy striking out 30% of the time in AAA.

 

Agreed.

[Rob]

I'd be trying right now to get Javy locked up longterm. 6 years, with a couple of options. I hope we give him September anyway, to help get his initial struggles out of the way. Cool that Mooney thinks Soler may get an audition too.

 

I have zero interest in giving six years of guaranteed money to a guy striking out 30% of the time in AAA.

 

As always, it depends on the numbers.

[neely crenshaw]

Maybe you could say it's good to wait, but most of that % is from his first month and half when he hit under .200 and struck out almost half the time with a sub .600 ops. Since he has settled in hitting close to .300, almost .900 ops and dropped his K rate below 25%, which is basically where he has been in his career.

To me it sure looks like he was unhappy to go to AAA when he probably felt he had earned a spot on the ML roster in the spring.

[UK1679666180]

It's not about not paying him because you project him to fail but rather take advantage of why they actually built from within. The uncertainty is drafting a high school kid that early that's the risk. Waste of money to do so at this point.

[PackLandVA]

How soon before the DH (unfortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

How soon before the DH (fortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

No, probably LF, but the reports of him catching so far have been pretty good.

[Guest]

How soon before the DH (fortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

No, probably LF, but the reports of him catching so far have been pretty good.

 

That's Bryant.

 

If everyone becomes some semblance of what they can be (except Schwarber becoming a C) and nobody is traded, I could see Schwarber ending up as that DH, if it ever happens.

 

In that ^ idealistic scenario, I'm not sure if Almora or Alcantara ends up your CF. But Bryant and Soler are definitely in the corners of the OF in said scenario.

[Guest]

How soon before the DH (unfortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

Unfortunately? The fact that the NL hasn't already done it is a joke.

[Flames24Rulz]

How soon before the DH (unfortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

Unfortunately? The fact that the NL hasn't already done it is a joke.

 

You know the old timers are going to stick to their traditionalist views on that subject.

 

The DH in the NL is coming sooner rather than later anyway.

[EhDubya]

How soon before the DH (fortunately) comes the the NL? Is Schwarber the Cubs' future DH?

No, probably LF, but the reports of him catching so far have been pretty good.

 

That's Bryant.

 

If everyone becomes some semblance of what they can be (except Schwarber becoming a C) and nobody is traded, I could see Schwarber ending up as that DH, if it ever happens.

 

In that ^ idealistic scenario, I'm not sure if Almora or Alcantara ends up your CF. But Bryant and Soler are definitely in the corners of the OF in said scenario.

 

My idealistic scenario with our guys reaching at least their floors

 

C Castillo (good version)

1B Rizzo

2B Castro

3B Baez

SS Russell

LF Soler

CF Almora

RF Bryant

 

CF/2B/SS/3B Contra

C/LF/RF/DH/1B Schwarber

OF McKinney

OF Sczuzr

INF Bruno

 

Contra and Schwarber still get plenty of ABs spot starting when guys need a day off or the matchup is right. I think one of Almora or McKinney gets moved (or both if we get R.Castillo) but whatever, this is my All-Prospect dream lineup, so don't harsh my buzz, man.

[bukie]

Everyone's "floor" is "not being a productive major league player".