College Football Offseason Thread

[Guest]

You can be an employee and student at the same time. On what grounds would the school be able to appeal?

[shnsajax]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

[Guest]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

Not sure if it's a gift since they have to work for it, but I imagine it will be taxable.

[ConstableRabbit]

Very interesting. There are going to be a ton of appeals -- I can imagine this making it to SCOTUS.

 

Speaking of which, anyone here know how the outcome of National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning would affect this, if at all?

 

ETA: also, the NLRB hasn't even weighed in yet. This was the regional decision.

 

It was a regional NLRB director. Not sure how an appeals process works...if it goes to a higher director at the NLRB, or if they have to go to the court system now?

Right, the National Director hasn't weighed in yet. Here's what I got on the NLRB v. Canning overview on Oyez:

 

Parties first file unfair labor practice allegations to a Regional Office, which then conducts an investigation and, if necessary, files a complaint. An Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) presides over the hearing on the complaint and issues a recommendation to the Board. Unless a party to the dispute files a timely appeal, the ALJ’s recommendation becomes the final order of the Board. To hear a case and issue a ruling, the Board must have at least three of its five members present. The NLRA allows parties to appeal a Board ruling to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the area where the alleged unfair labor practice occurred or to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Board members are appointed by the president and serve five-year terms

 

Since Northwestern has already stated that it would appeal, this isn't the final order of the Board.

[Sosa21MVP]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

Not sure if it's a gift since they have to work for it, but I imagine it will be taxable.

 

That is what I have been thinking. If the scholarships for these players is going to start being classified as compensation as an employee of the university there would have to be some kind of tax implications I would think.

[TruffleShuffle]

i would think that stories like this would tend to undermine the ncaa's/university's argument.

 

We’ve come to accept that college sports, what with their billions of dollars in revenues and amateur athletes, are imperfect. Mostly, we ignore this, because who wants to focus on the difficult nuances of amateur athletics while watching events that are supposed to be diversions? But every now and then, something temporarily jars us loose and forces us to confront the hypocrisy.

 

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith will receive an $18,000 bonus triggered by Buckeyes wrestler Logan Stieber winning the 141-pound wrestling NCAA championship last week.

[Old Style]

This Northwestern case is fascinating and I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

 

Both the NFL Network and ESPN3 will be airing 90 minutes of Johnny Manziel's Pro Day today. Former President Bush (41) is expected to be in attendance, as well. It's quite ridiculous how much attention this is getting. I imagine it will be extremely boring to watch but since I have nothing to do at work right now I will tune in.

[shnsajax]

This guy will also be there, not like he would be doing anything useful anyway.

 

 

http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/photo-rick-perry-corndog2.jpg

 

 

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[UMFan83]

Well that wasn't a fun thing to open at work

[ConstableRabbit]

Yeah WTF dude?

[TruffleShuffle]

This Northwestern case is fascinating and I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

 

Both the NFL Network and ESPN3 will be airing 90 minutes of Johnny Manziel's Pro Day today. Former President Bush (41) is expected to be in attendance, as well. It's quite ridiculous how much attention this is getting. I imagine it will be extremely boring to watch but since I have nothing to do at work right now I will tune in.

[mul21]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

Not sure if it's a gift since they have to work for it, but I imagine it will be taxable.

 

That is what I have been thinking. If the scholarships for these players is going to start being classified as compensation as an employee of the university there would have to be some kind of tax implications I would think.

 

If that's the case, does the NCAA pull some BS declaring that they're no longer amateurs and now aren't eligible?

[UK1679666180]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

Not sure if it's a gift since they have to work for it, but I imagine it will be taxable.

 

That is what I have been thinking. If the scholarships for these players is going to start being classified as compensation as an employee of the university there would have to be some kind of tax implications I would think.

 

If that's the case, does the NCAA pull some BS declaring that they're no longer amateurs and now aren't eligible?

 

Worst case scenario, they probably get to some middle ground.

 

I'm all for opening the can of worms and paying athletes to play collegiate sports.

 

What I would like to see if they don't go all the way as far as paying athletes:

 

1) Eliminate the rule that colleges can pull scholarships once an athlete gets hurt.

2) Eliminate partial scholarships and walk-ons, anyone as part of a collegiate sport should have a full ride.

3) If a player is injured during the process of training or competing in a sport, there should be something similar to pain and suffering if you get into an accident and someone else is at fault (sport they were brought to the Univ. to do).

 

I haven't put too much thought into it beyond random brainstorming.

[Guest]

#2 would reduce college sports to men's football and basketball. Those two subsidize all other scholarships as is, forcing full rides for all players would have a Title IX-esque effect of killing off the rest of them.

[Guest]

They should have the option of choosing school plus room and board plus spending money vs some prorated rate of all spending money base on the sport for those who choose to go to school.

[OleMissCub]

This is an absolute must read article by Steven Godfrey about "Bag Men" in the SEC. He interviews three of them from three different schools. Pretty fascinating read.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

[SouthSideRyan]

So would the gift of a free education then be taxable against each student?

Not sure if it's a gift since they have to work for it, but I imagine it will be taxable.

 

That is what I have been thinking. If the scholarships for these players is going to start being classified as compensation as an employee of the university there would have to be some kind of tax implications I would think.

 

If that's the case, does the NCAA pull some BS declaring that they're no longer amateurs and now aren't eligible?

 

Worst case scenario, they probably get to some middle ground.

 

I'm all for opening the can of worms and paying athletes to play collegiate sports.

 

What I would like to see if they don't go all the way as far as paying athletes:

 

1) Eliminate the rule that colleges can pull scholarships once an athlete gets hurt.

2) Eliminate partial scholarships and walk-ons, anyone as part of a collegiate sport should have a full ride.

3) If a player is injured during the process of training or competing in a sport, there should be something similar to pain and suffering if you get into an accident and someone else is at fault (sport they were brought to the Univ. to do).

 

I haven't put too much thought into it beyond random brainstorming.

 

There's already a rule allowing the player to stay on scholarship without counting towards limits if he gets injured. I don't think many schools are cutting players loose due to injury.(well maybe the SEC is)

 

I don't know what you're getting at with #3, if the player gets hurt playing the sport you want them to get workers comp beyond their scholarship?

[SouthSideRyan]

They should have the option of choosing school plus room and board plus spending money vs some prorated rate of all spending money base on the sport for those who choose to go to school.

 

I'm confused what you're saying. Choose between scholarship + spending money vs spending money?

[SouthSideRyan]

This is an absolute must read article by Steven Godfrey about "Bag Men" in the SEC. He interviews three of them from three different schools. Pretty fascinating read.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

 

Good stuff, I assume it's simple MAD that prevents schools from ratting on other schools considering they're chasing the same players.

[OleMissCub]

This is an absolute must read article by Steven Godfrey about "Bag Men" in the SEC. He interviews three of them from three different schools. Pretty fascinating read.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

 

Good stuff, I assume it's simple MAD that prevents schools from ratting on other schools considering they're chasing the same players.

 

Good analogy. That's definitely the case. Everyone has so much dirt on the other.

 

Also I'm pretty sure 80 percent of that article is about an Ole Miss bag man considering the author.

[NOLA]

Also I'm pretty sure 80 percent of that article is about an Ole Miss bag man considering the author.

Why do you say that? Is he an alum?

[SouthSideRyan]

Also I'm pretty sure 80 percent of that article is about an Ole Miss bag man considering the author.

 

Heh, was thinking the same thing. He is based out of Nashville, but I have a hard time seeing this being as prevalent at Vandy as pretty much any other school.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This is an absolute must read article by Steven Godfrey about "Bag Men" in the SEC. He interviews three of them from three different schools. Pretty fascinating read.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

 

Good stuff, I assume it's simple MAD that prevents schools from ratting on other schools considering they're chasing the same players.

 

Good analogy. That's definitely the case. Everyone has so much dirt on the other.

 

Also I'm pretty sure 80 percent of that article is about an Ole Miss bag man considering the author.

 

That article made me think of something that happened just this recruiting season. A kid from my alma mater high school who is friends with my nephew was being recruited by two SEC schools. Most of us around here had a preference of which one we wanted him to choose. On the day of his decision, he chose the other. I was talking to a booster of the school we wanted him to choose and kind of lamenting he didn't choose us. The booster (who I've known for a long time),said " yeah- I knew we didn't have a chance. He's driving a Hummer and I didn't have anything to do with it."

[OleMissCub]

Also I'm pretty sure 80 percent of that article is about an Ole Miss bag man considering the author.

Why do you say that? Is he an alum?

 

Yeah, Godfrey was a college friend of mine. Haven't talked to him I'm years though. He was sports editor at the student paper and still does a daily Ole Miss Sports podcast. Also, some of the scenarios presented in the piece are reflective of Ole Miss recruiting drama the past few years. The $70,000 athlete is undoubtedly Chris Jones, a DT with Mississippi State, with State being the rival school "down south."

 

Also, the no.1 athlete that came to visit is likely a reference to Malachi Dupre.

 

The rivalry mentioned is OM/MSU because the only other north to south in state rivalry is Bama and Auburn and neither of those places would have a bartender that would be super giddy about the prospect of playing in the playoff but Oxford sure does.

[Guest]

They should have the option of choosing school plus room and board plus spending money vs some prorated rate of all spending money base on the sport for those who choose to go to school.

 

I'm confused what you're saying. Choose between scholarship + spending money vs spending money?

Yes. Sorry

For not being clear. The all money no school should be significantly less than school plus money added together.

 

Scholarship + money vs just money where the money is much less than what it costs the school to educate.