Offseason Rumors

[TruffleShuffle]

For instance, before this season I'm pretty sure SSR argued against trading Starlin for Bryce Harper.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd change his stance on that at this point.

This board also wouldn't trade Soto for Mike Trout. We have a tendency to overvalue our own players.

Wait, when was this? Like when Trout was in A ball and wasn't a huge/well known prospect yet? I'm not saying I/we don't have times of overvaluing our own guys but I never recall that conversation.

It's when he was the best prospect in baseball:

 

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58544&p=2532606&hilit=trout#p2532606

 

please don't let me be one of those people please don't let me be one of those people.

 

ah [expletive].

[sneakypower]

at least you weren't this guy

[Bryants Disco Ball]

at least you weren't this guy

 

At least you were nice about it. You did say thank you.

[Boris]

Always go with the fish boys. Always the fish.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Being a fan of advanced statistics and whatnot may make you better at understanding what has already happened, but looking back at the board archives always seems to show that we have about as much understanding of what is going to happen as some grandma who loves Kaplan.

[Sammy Sofa]

Nah. You're conflating sometimes being wrong with often being wrong or pretty much always being wrong.

[imb]

Im pretty much always right so just listen to me

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nah. You're conflating sometimes being wrong with often being wrong or pretty much always being wrong.

 

I'm going with "pretty much always." Reading old threads is a blast.

[bukie]

Yes, you will be able to find someone wrong about pretty much every situation, since there isn't 100% consensus on anything. Good for you?

[Tyrant]

Yes, you will be able to find someone wrong about pretty much every situation, since there isn't 100% consensus on anything. Good for you?

 

I don't think he's calling everyone dumb or anything. Its just fun to see how much opinions change over time.

[Sammy Sofa]

He's trying to say the most of the predictions/expectations here are wrong. He's just being Kyle. We're all wrong about things a lot of the time, but he's just being his usual tedious self.

[Felix Leiter]

I think we have enough tradeable parts to actually acquire established SP now and not sit back. Thought I heard/read that the Tigers would look to deal Max Scherzer($6.7M) who is actually their #4 and most likely win the Cy Young this year. If we traded for him, he'd be our #1 on day 1. I'd trade Shark(who is our #3-4) and Schierholtz for Scherzer.

 

I'd also hold my nose and deal with the Cardinals. They need a SS(Kozma is a joke), 3rd(Freese has bad ankles and can't field or hit anymore) and a CF(Jay is a terrible OF with a noodle arm). So what do they have? A surplus of young pitching. I'd trade Castro(if you believe that Baez is 1/2 season away), Olt and Lake for Joe Kelly and Lyons(LH). That gives us an established #1 and #2/3, who will be ready to be leaders and teach our younger pitchers coming up.

[Guest]

Welcome!

 

You might want to look more on the player's performance rather than pigeonholing them into roles like #2 or #4. Your deal for Scherzer wouldn't really work because 1) The Tigers would trade Scherzer to cut salary, but they don't do that in your deal(plus Shark wants a big FA deal so they don't save in the long run either) and 2) The Cubs can get more value than 1 year of Max Scherzer for Shark and Schierholtz. The deal with Castro makes the Cubs far worse. Joe Kelly is a decent starter, but on a good team he's probably not going to make your playoff rotation, and Lyons is probably a reliever long term. Trading Olt and Lake for those two would actually be an interesting(if unnecessary) deal, adding Castro to it makes it very lopsided.

[davell]

Mike Illitch is a very old dude who REALLY wants to win before he expires. I'll be beyond shocked to see Scherzer dealt. And considering he's definitely testing FA in a year, even if he IS somehow dealt, I don't see our FO giving up premium value for a year in which its unlikely we're contending. OTOH, as a FA the year after? Yeah, I see us in bigtime on him.

[CubsInNC]

Welcome!

 

You might want to look more on the player's performance rather than pigeonholing them into roles like #2 or #4. Your deal for Scherzer wouldn't really work because 1) The Tigers would trade Scherzer to cut salary, but they don't do that in your deal(plus Shark wants a big FA deal so they don't save in the long run either) and 2) The Cubs can get more value than 1 year of Max Scherzer for Shark and Schierholtz.

 

If the Tigers deal Scherzer, it has nothing to do with cutting salary. It would be because they don't want to let him walk, when they could trade him at max (no pun intended) value. The deal still wouldn't work, as they'd be in the same boat with Shark, though.

[davell]

"You.re a leader and you're a professional. Those two things are null and void. It's about winning. Period." Samardzija quote. OK, he's not much intellectually.

[Boris]

"You.re a leader and you're a professional. Those two things are null and void. It's about winning. Period." Samardzija quote. OK, he's not much intellectually.

 

Sounds like he shoots first and asks questions later.

[Felix Leiter]

Welcome!

 

You might want to look more on the player's performance rather than pigeonholing them into roles like #2 or #4. Your deal for Scherzer wouldn't really work because 1) The Tigers would trade Scherzer to cut salary, but they don't do that in your deal(plus Shark wants a big FA deal so they don't save in the long run either) and 2) The Cubs can get more value than 1 year of Max Scherzer for Shark and Schierholtz. The deal with Castro makes the Cubs far worse. Joe Kelly is a decent starter, but on a good team he's probably not going to make your playoff rotation, and Lyons is probably a reliever long term. Trading Olt and Lake for those two would actually be an interesting(if unnecessary) deal, adding Castro to it makes it very lopsided.

 

Thanks, Tiger. The team is going nowhere in 2014 and if we're .500 in 2015-that would be a success. I think you could make the case that in 2 years Rizzo and Castillo will be the only everyday players on the current everyday roster. This dumpster diving for pitching coming off of TJ surgery is frustrating and isn't building anything for 2014-15. Trading Scherzer now makes good sense for the Tigers. He will be looking for big $$ in a year and I hope the Cubs would step up and do a long term deal. Shark fits a #4 slot and the Tigers would have 2 years. And Schierholz could play the corner OF, as I don't think having Hunter and Peralta another year is any answer.

 

I think Castro will be dealt and the Cards desperately need a SS. Maybe Jose Oquendo can solve his fielding problems. They will have $40m+ in available $$, so his salary is not a problem. Kelly would be a front end of the rotation guy for us. He was 7-2 with a 2.34 ERA in his last 10 games(a pennant race) and started in the playoffs and WS. That certainly moves him ahead of Wood and Arrieta in my view. And Tiger Lyons was a starter in the minors and we could use a lefty in the rotation, unless Rusin tickles your fancy.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Thanks, Tiger. The team is going nowhere in 2014 and if we're .500 in 2015-that would be a success.

 

If the best this team does is reach .500 in 2015 I would not call that a success.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Thanks, Tiger. The team is going nowhere in 2014 and if we're .500 in 2015-that would be a success.

 

If the best this team does is reach .500 in 2015 I would not call that a success.

 

The words miserable failure come to mind

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Judging from where the team is right now, I'd be pretty happy to find out we reached .500 by 2015.

[Boris]

Judging from where the team is right now, I'd be pretty happy to find out we reached .500 by 2015.

 

No you wouldn't. Don't lie.

[Tyrant]

Judging from where the team is right now, I'd be pretty happy to find out we reached .500 by 2015.

 

No you wouldn't. Don't lie.

 

no kidding

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, it's better than what I actually expect to happen.

[XZero771679666304]

Well, it's better than what I actually expect to happen.

 

I doubt that, too.