Offseason Rumors

[Cubswin11]

For instance, before this season I'm pretty sure SSR argued against trading Starlin for Bryce Harper.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd change his stance on that at this point.

This board also wouldn't trade Soto for Mike Trout. We have a tendency to overvalue our own players.

Wait, when was this? Like when Trout was in A ball and wasn't a huge/well known prospect yet? I'm not saying I/we don't have times of overvaluing our own guys but I never recall that conversation.

[KingCubsFan]

For instance, before this season I'm pretty sure SSR argued against trading Starlin for Bryce Harper.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd change his stance on that at this point.

This board also wouldn't trade Soto for Mike Trout. We have a tendency to overvalue our own players.

Wait, when was this? Like when Trout was in A ball and wasn't a huge/well known prospect yet? I'm not saying I/we don't have times of overvaluing our own guys but I never recall that conversation.

It's when he was the best prospect in baseball:

 

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58544&p=2532606&hilit=trout#p2532606

[Guest]

For instance, before this season I'm pretty sure SSR argued against trading Starlin for Bryce Harper.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd change his stance on that at this point.

This board also wouldn't trade Soto for Mike Trout. We have a tendency to overvalue our own players.

Wait, when was this? Like when Trout was in A ball and wasn't a huge/well known prospect yet? I'm not saying I/we don't have times of overvaluing our own guys but I never recall that conversation.

It's when he was the best prospect in baseball:

 

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58544&p=2532606&hilit=trout#p2532606

 

Well, the first guy didn't even know who Trout was and thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

 

The others, yeah, turned out to be absurdly wrong, but I can't fault somebody all that much for not wanting to trade a 27 year old catcher coming off a .280/.393/.497 season (which 2008 would lead one to believe was not a fluke) for a guy coming off a nice season in A and high A.

 

Not that it really matters much, but I'm pretty sure most still had Harper as a better prospect in Nov 2010.

[MWV]

The poster you're referring to didn't seem to know who Trout was. Doesn't exactly support your claim.

[Guest]

The poster you're referring to didn't seem to know who Trout was. Doesn't exactly support your claim.

 

Outshined and Truffle did.

[MWV]

Crap. I pulled a WSR and only read the first post or two.

[Guest]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why are we trading for Matt Garza when we already have Randy Wells?

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, Soto.

 

"What the [expletive] happened to you, man? Your ass used to be beautiful."

 

Though I had no idea he had a relatively nice little bounceback year this past season, even though it was in a backup role.

[SouthSideRyan]

Because "we would prefer trades with teams that match up better" is self-evident, so stating it as a point indicates something more, like not wanting to trade assets to NL teams for competitive reasons. That would be stupid, as SSR notes.

Stuff

 

So...the front office wouldn't prefer to deal with AL teams.

[Exile on Waveland]

Why are we trading for Matt Garza when we already have Randy Wells?

 

I was just about to post that. Hilarity.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

 

Trout wasn't the #2 prospect until going into 2011. He wasn't ranked before 2009 and going in to 2010 he was ranked #85.

 

Not that trading Soto after 2009 wasn't automatically a good or bad idea, but to drop that Trout was the #2/#1 prospect in baseball like he was that as soon he showed up is wrong.

[imb]

Oh, Soto.

 

"What the [expletive] happened to you, man? Your ass used to be beautiful."

 

[expletive] great reference.

[Guest]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

 

Trout wasn't the #2 prospect until going into 2011. He wasn't ranked before 2009 and going in to 2010 he was ranked #85.

 

Not that trading Soto after 2009 wasn't automatically a good or bad idea, but to drop that Trout was the #2/#1 prospect in baseball like he was that as soon he showed up is wrong.

 

The time he's talking about was after Trout's 2010 season, at which point I'm sure there was plenty of prospect buzz around Trout despite there maybe not being official lists yet (which would be the 2011 ones).

[Guest]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

 

Sorry, it's not. The opposite isn't irrational, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to hemorrhage value from the MLB roster, especially when it involved trading the best hitter on the team for a top prospect who had yet to hit AA.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

 

Trout wasn't the #2 prospect until going into 2011. He wasn't ranked before 2009 and going in to 2010 he was ranked #85.

 

Not that trading Soto after 2009 wasn't automatically a good or bad idea, but to drop that Trout was the #2/#1 prospect in baseball like he was that as soon he showed up is wrong.

 

The time he's talking about was after Trout's 2010 season, at which point I'm sure there was plenty of prospect buzz around Trout despite there maybe not being official lists yet (which would be the 2011 ones).

 

Ah, thought it was post-2009.

[Guest]

It seems foolish to me to value Castro's 2013 season more than he rest of his entire career in baseball. Real foolish. I would think Theo and Jed are smarter than that.

[rawaction]

Oh, Soto.

 

"What the [expletive] happened to you, man? Your ass used to be beautiful."

 

[expletive] great reference.

Jackie Brown is so underrated, especially in Samuel L isms.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, Soto.

 

"What the [expletive] happened to you, man? Your ass used to be beautiful."

 

[expletive] great reference.

Jackie Brown is so underrated, especially in Samuel L isms.

 

That quote works way too often. I think I basically yell it at myself in the mirror every morning.

[chopsx9]

Read in a link to one of the NY papers the other day that the Mets are looking for a SS...really want Baez...realize thats not happening, but the writer suggested Castro should be the target...suggesting Wright would be a positive influence and that trying to get Lake at the same time would be smart.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes, when Trout was coming off an .821 OPS at high A, many posters here didn't want to trade away the team's best hitter for him. It's not irrational to not want to punt value from the MLB team for a prospect(s) that are multiple years away. Plus the biggest argument in that thread was from someone who thought you were talking about Mike Leake.

It is absolutely irrational to refuse to trade an inconsistent catcher (a position where the amount of time that one remains productive is quite short) for the #1/#2 prospect in baseball.

 

Sorry, it's not. The opposite isn't irrational, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to hemorrhage value from the MLB roster, especially when it involved trading the best hitter on the team for a top prospect who had yet to hit AA.

We're talking about an 18/19 year old with amazing tools putting up a .918 OPS in A ball with a 73/85 BB/K ratio. Soto had just had consecutive seasons of 387 and 389 plate appearances, and one year of a .702 OPS.

 

Would you trade Javier Baez for Carlos Santana or Salvador Perez? My guess is no, and Trout was a much better prospect than Baez is now.

[Guest]

Why are we trading for Matt Garza when we already have Randy Wells?

 

haha, yes! Some of my favorite posts in nsbb history.

[Guest]

It seems foolish to me to value Castro's 2013 season more than he rest of his entire career in baseball. Real foolish. I would think Theo and Jed are smarter than that.

 

Who said anything about doing that?

[abuck1220]

man, Hendry was justly fired when he turned down trout for soto.