DeJesus traded to Nats for PTBNL

[toonsterwu]

Personally, I'd be surprised if Lake has an everyday spot on opening day. Sweeney in LF or CF, Schierholtz in RF, and someone from the Granderson/Ellsbury/Choo/Cruz group in LF or CF would be my guess. Lake could be the 4th outfielder and platoon partner for one of those spots. Would need another righty outfielder on the bench as well (Vitters?).

 

I still am highly doubtful that this FO will make that big veteran "top-tier free agent" splash this off-season. After 2014, with more and more prospects, particularly arms,in the upper levels? I can see that, but it just feels like this is one-year early to make that big splash, based on what the FO has said and done. Granted, maybe they are trying to get everyone to think that way for a specific purpose, but with so many teams flush with money, I'm taking them at face-value for now.

 

While I think the idea of intentionally waiting to be "ready" to add quality players to the major league roster is ridiculous, as it is, the notion of waiting because it's ONE YEAR early is beyond absurd.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I just don't see them adding a top tier FA at markets rates until more guys are into the upper levels of the minors and they have better clarity on what long term needs might exist. To be real clear, I have, in no place, said that I didn't think they would add quality players this off-season. I have simply said that I don't see them considering adding a guy considered a top tier FA until next offseason unless it's for a cheaper than expected rate. I may be way off on this, but everything the front office has said about how they are building through accumulation of young talent, along with Theo's past reflections on his previous tenure, makes me think they will wait on guys considered elite FA's until at least next offseason. Now, I could see them go after, say, a Josh Johnson or a Tim Lincecum level guy, particularly if the price comes closer to the Edwin Jackson range, guys that probably aren't "breaking the bank" this offseason, but will get a fair amount of money.

[toonsterwu]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 15m

Could turn out to be that WAS acquisition of David DeJesus was just a waiver-claim mistake. Not really a fit...We'll see if they move him...

 

That makes no sense.

 

If it was a mistake, the Nats could have said to the Cubs "pull him back or give him for nothing, but we're not offering anything." By offering a PTBNL, they clearly wanted him to some degree or another.

 

My guess is that with the Harper injury, they wanted some insurance for the short term, but wanted to keep their options open if another trade came down the line. If that's the case, it would seem to suggest that the return for DeJesus isn't all that much (half wonder if we simply grab someone like Ian Dickson as a PTBNL).

[Clem Fandango]

Rotoworlds take...

 

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Nationals have placed David DeJesus on waivers.

Yes, they have placed him on waivers the same day that they acquired him. It appears that the Nats' main intention was not to trade for DeJesus but rather to keep someone else from getting him. They inherited the just over $1 million on his contract for the rest of the season, as well as the $6.5 million club option (or $1.5 million buyout) for 2014.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rotoworlds take...

 

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Nationals have placed David DeJesus on waivers.

Yes, they have placed him on waivers the same day that they acquired him. It appears that the Nats' main intention was not to trade for DeJesus but rather to keep someone else from getting him. They inherited the just over $1 million on his contract for the rest of the season, as well as the $6.5 million club option (or $1.5 million buyout) for 2014.

 

Still doesn't explain why they'd give up even a PTBNL

[Castros trade value]

And why in the heck would they care who got him when they're way out of it? This is way weird.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Someone drug test Mike Rizzo.

[imb]

probably found out his wife wasn't moving to washington, so they said f it and want to ship him out

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rotoworlds take...

 

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Nationals have placed David DeJesus on waivers.

Yes, they have placed him on waivers the same day that they acquired him. It appears that the Nats' main intention was not to trade for DeJesus but rather to keep someone else from getting him. They inherited the just over $1 million on his contract for the rest of the season, as well as the $6.5 million club option (or $1.5 million buyout) for 2014.

 

Still doesn't explain why they'd give up even a PTBNL

 

Raise your hand if at the start of the season, you thought we'd get better returns for Scott Hairston and Tony Campana than David DeJesus.

[WrigleyField 22]

probably found out his wife wasn't moving to washington, so they said f it and want to ship him out

LOL

[jersey cubs fan]

Rotoworlds take...

 

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Nationals have placed David DeJesus on waivers.

Yes, they have placed him on waivers the same day that they acquired him. It appears that the Nats' main intention was not to trade for DeJesus but rather to keep someone else from getting him. They inherited the just over $1 million on his contract for the rest of the season, as well as the $6.5 million club option (or $1.5 million buyout) for 2014.

 

Still doesn't explain why they'd give up even a PTBNL

 

They have a spare $1m laying around, and the Cubs don't. So DeJesus is going to be the PTBNL and sent back to the Cubs if nobody else takes him prior to his buyout being paid.

[Guest]

Can you trade a guy after the season and prior to his option being decided?

[jersey cubs fan]

Can you trade a guy after the season and prior to his option being decided?

 

I think so. Don't those things usually get settled in November? I know trades have happened in late October.

[Guest]

Can you trade a guy after the season and prior to his option being decided?

 

I think so. Don't those things usually get settled in November? I know trades have happened in late October.

 

Yeah, those dates match to me, I've just never heard of it happening so it makes me curious if there's some odd stipulation that he's not technically on the roster until that option is decided.

[jersey cubs fan]

It just seems odd to me that there has been no talk of who the PTBNL may be (or did I miss that) coupled with all the talk about the Cubs possibly bringing him back next year.

[Schwarber Fan]

We should claim him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We should claim him.

 

Can't afford it.

[Irrelevant Dude]

We should claim him.

And put him back on waivers.

[SouthSideRyan]

Can you trade a guy after the season and prior to his option being decided?

 

Wasn't that going to be the situation with the Marmol-Haren trade?

[bhogg]

I think Dickie noles was traded for himself back in 87 or 88. Cool story......

[davell]

It just seems odd to me that there has been no talk of who the PTBNL may be (or did I miss that) coupled with all the talk about the Cubs possibly bringing him back next year.

It appears as if its just a claim and we let him go for the savings in money. The Nats claiming him was odd, my guess is they are playing our money shortage against us and have him back on waivers to try and legit trade him in the hopes someone sees value at 6.5 next year. To us, the monetary savings must have meant more than the shot at getting a C+ type prospect over the offseason.

[jersey cubs fan]

It just seems odd to me that there has been no talk of who the PTBNL may be (or did I miss that) coupled with all the talk about the Cubs possibly bringing him back next year.

It appears as if its just a claim and we let him go for the savings in money. The Nats claiming him was odd, my guess is they are playing our money shortage against us and have him back on waivers to try and legit trade him in the hopes someone sees value at 6.5 next year. To us, the monetary savings must have meant more than the shot at getting a C+ type prospect over the offseason.

 

Then wouldn't that just be called a waiver pickup, as opposed to a trade for a PTBNL?

[davell]

It just seems odd to me that there has been no talk of who the PTBNL may be (or did I miss that) coupled with all the talk about the Cubs possibly bringing him back next year.

It appears as if its just a claim and we let him go for the savings in money. The Nats claiming him was odd, my guess is they are playing our money shortage against us and have him back on waivers to try and legit trade him in the hopes someone sees value at 6.5 next year. To us, the monetary savings must have meant more than the shot at getting a C+ type prospect over the offseason.

 

Then wouldn't that just be called a waiver pickup, as opposed to a trade for a PTBNL?

I honestly don't know how that works. Muskat mentioned a PTBNL or cash considerations, so maybe it is just a claim.

[SouthSideRyan]

It just seems odd to me that there has been no talk of who the PTBNL may be (or did I miss that) coupled with all the talk about the Cubs possibly bringing him back next year.

It appears as if its just a claim and we let him go for the savings in money. The Nats claiming him was odd, my guess is they are playing our money shortage against us and have him back on waivers to try and legit trade him in the hopes someone sees value at 6.5 next year. To us, the monetary savings must have meant more than the shot at getting a C+ type prospect over the offseason.

 

Then wouldn't that just be called a waiver pickup, as opposed to a trade for a PTBNL?

I honestly don't know how that works. Muskat mentioned a PTBNL or cash considerations, so maybe it is just a claim.

 

If it's just a claim there wouldn't be cash considerations either.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We have the fact that it was a trade.

 

We have speculation from writers that it wasn't meant to be, that the Nats made an accidental waiver pick-up.

 

So either we're wrong that there's no reason to make a formal trade on an accidental waiver pick-up, or the writers are being stupid.

 

I strongly suspect the latter.

[davell]

All I know is after hearing Hoyer say money was a major reason for making the deal AND not even mentioning anything positive about getting something in return, my hopes of getting back a decent prospect went to 0%.