Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Guest]

I can see why SCS would want to trade a year and a half of David DeJesus at a low cost for Bubba Starling. After all, Starling did improve his K % from 30 last year in rookie ball to 29 this year in the MWL. While being 4 months older than Javier Baez.

 

Bet the Royals wish they had picked Rendon.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I didn't say I would; I said that due to his being a former mega prospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Theo would. One of the steengths of this regime is scouting, so if Starling were the centerpiece and 2-4 other pieces were involved, knowing that they have the ability to make the most out of those 2-4 other pieces.

[SouthSideRyan]

We can probably get some really good complementary pieces, so let's purposely take a guy who sucks as the centerpiece

[Tracer Bullet]

I didn't say I would; I said that due to his being a former mega prospect, I wouldn't be surprised if Theo would. One of the steengths of this regime is scouting, so if Starling were the centerpiece and 2-4 other pieces were involved, knowing that they have the ability to make the most out of those 2-4 other pieces.

 

Bc Theo's strength is scouting, he'd be willing take a former top prospect that has sucked bc he can swindle the team out of a few other underrated guys? Oh sweet lord

[abuck1220]

why would you want starling when you've got ryan sweeney locked into a long term deal?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't know the full story on him, but I do know that people were shocked that he made to #5 in the draft just 2 years ago. He had a pretty good year in rookie league in 2012, but has been pretty awful through 60 games this year. So assuming that the problem is one they feel as though is fixable, yeah, they'll jump at the chance. And I mean if they feel as though is fixable, not if we feel as though it is.

 

So even if they feel he's 25% boom, 75% bust he'd be a pretty good gamble if the other options have a 75% chance of being a decent big leaguer and 25% to end up in Japan.

[mookie]

He can't see. Mr. Bubba can't see.

[Clem Fandango]

Brett just put out an article about some teams in need of help that the Cubs might be a fit for.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/06/20/lukewarm-stove-the-yankees-injury-woes-could-create-opportunity-soriano-navarro-chats-more/

 

This in particular caught my eye...

 

The Padres’ hot streak has them emerging as a possible surprise buyer at the deadline, and they could use a starting pitcher. What do you know? The Cubs have a few to spare, and the front office knows the Padres’ system well.

 

I know some people were indifferent on him and the Cubs future and present is locked down at his playable positions... but I do rather like Jedd Gyorko.

[Guest]

Brett just put out an article about some teams in need of help that the Cubs might be a fit for.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/06/20/lukewarm-stove-the-yankees-injury-woes-could-create-opportunity-soriano-navarro-chats-more/

 

This in particular caught my eye...

 

The Padres’ hot streak has them emerging as a possible surprise buyer at the deadline, and they could use a starting pitcher. What do you know? The Cubs have a few to spare, and the front office knows the Padres’ system well.

 

I know some people were indifferent on him and the Cubs future and present is locked down at his playable positions... but I do rather like Jedd Gyorko.

 

Considering he's been a big part of how good they've managed to be, I don't see them giving him up...especially not for anything we have to offer.

[illiniguy]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

[Clem Fandango]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

 

But if he can't correct his vision he has a chance as a pitcher? I'd think it'd be just as, if not more important for a pitcher, would it not?

[Cubswin11]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

 

But if he can't correct his vision he has a chance as a pitcher? I'd think it'd be just as, if not more important for a pitcher, would it not?

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[Guest]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

 

But if he can't correct his vision he has a chance as a pitcher? I'd think it'd be just as, if not more important for a pitcher, would it not?

 

I think he's saying if he still sucks as a hitter after getting his vision fixed.

[illiniguy]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

 

But if he can't correct his vision he has a chance as a pitcher? I'd think it'd be just as, if not more important for a pitcher, would it not?

I've heard the problem is he can't pick up spin on a pitched ball, how would that hurt him as a pitcher?

[CubsInNC]

I wonder how long until the Royals try Bubba as a pitcher? If the vision correction process doesn't work I can't see him advancing much as a hitter.

 

But if he can't correct his vision he has a chance as a pitcher? I'd think it'd be just as, if not more important for a pitcher, would it not?

I've heard the problem is he can't pick up spin on a pitched ball, how would that hurt him as a pitcher?

 

It seems like it's an astigmatism, from what I've read. That would potentially drastically impact the ability to pick up the spin. I wonder if he's tried the amber tinted lenses, before they try the lasik route. I would guess so, but since the vision issues didn't become known to the Royals until more recently, who knows what they have or haven't tried. But, the astigmatism shouldn't affect his ability to pitch. The 2 likely biggest issues in that area are seeing catcher's signs in lower light situations and the potential for headaches from eye related strain.

[davell]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/06/21/lukewarm-stove-the-cubs-are-reportedly-open-for-business/comment-page-1/#comment-325401

 

Although it should come as no surprise – hell, it wouldn’t have been a total surprise back in April – Buster Olney reports that the Chicago Cubs are officially in sell mode. That, according to “rival talent evaluators” who say the Cubs are communicating that they are “open for business.”

 

The Cubs will listen to offers on any player, as is this front office’s (wise) policy. Specifically, Olney lists Matt Garza, Scott Feldman, Kevin Gregg, James Russell, Alfonso Soriano, David DeJesus (after he gets back from injury), and Nate Schierholtz as pieces the Cubs have that could interest other teams.

[CubsInNC]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

[Little Slide Rooter]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

 

It might be a decent ending point, assuming the starting point was exceptional.

[CubsInNC]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

 

It might be a decent ending point, assuming the starting point was exceptional.

 

Maybe I'm underestimating Gregg's value. Where would you start?

[Tryptamine]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

 

It might be a decent ending point, assuming the starting point was exceptional.

 

Maybe I'm underestimating Gregg's value. Where would you start?

 

Think about it this way. Would you give up Baez for half a season of Kevin Gregg and Navarro? That package gets you a Casey Crosby, not Castellanos or Garcia or even Rondon.

[sneakypower]

Tigers fans are weirdly fixated on the closing situation; (sports radio host) Mike Valenti was talking the other day about approaching Philly or New York about Porcello for Papelbon/Parnell swaps

 

it's idiotic though, just bring up Rondon & Albuquerque, close with Benoit & they'll surely still win the division by double-digit games and in the playoffs you can just let Scherzer or Anibal close out games

[Little Slide Rooter]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

 

It might be a decent ending point, assuming the starting point was exceptional.

 

Maybe I'm underestimating Gregg's value. Where would you start?

 

You mean overestimating. I'm talking from Detroit's point of view. Gregg's been great for us, and Navarro's been a pleasant surprise, but nobody's going to give up a top 20 prospect for a pair of journeymen, especially with both impending free agents. Even WSR thinks that's madness. I'm thinking that last years Vizcaino trade has lead some think that Theo's capable of outworldly things, when in reality he lucked into a perfect storm.

[Clem Fandango]

Tigers just DFA'd Valverde, fwiw

[CubsInNC]

By any chance, anyone listen to Olney's podcast today? It's evidently got some deadline scouting perspective on Feldman, Gregg, and Schierholtz. Schierholtz being the very interesting one, I'd like to have an idea anyway of what type of return he could possibly get us. Obviously, it'd have to be excellent, if we actually dealt him, since we'd control him next year at a nice salary.

 

The Tigers desperately need to replace Valverde. I know some of the talking heads on Detroit sports radio would give up Castellanos in a deal for a closer or catcher. Would a Gregg & Navarro for Castellanos be starting point? Anyone else in the DET system worth targeting instead? I assume J McCann is off limits, since C is such a hole for them.

 

It might be a decent ending point, assuming the starting point was exceptional.

 

Maybe I'm underestimating Gregg's value. Where would you start?

 

You mean overestimating. I'm talking from Detroit's point of view. Gregg's been great for us, and Navarro's been a pleasant surprise, but nobody's going to give up a top 20 prospect for a pair of journeymen, especially with both impending free agents. Even WSR thinks that's madness. I'm thinking that last years Vizcaino trade has lead some think that Theo's capable of outworldly things, when in reality he lucked into a perfect storm.

 

I'm not of the impression that Theo/Jed are going to steal away outlandish hauls of prospects. But, Detroit has shown that they're willing to trade their top prospects to "win now." Albeit for better returns than what we're offering. And I don't expect Castellanos for those 2, but would it surprise me to see Castellanos moved for a need filling package other worldly better than what we could put together? I don't think those players are out there and available, but I'd guess he's moved to fill one if not both of those needs. In comparison, where is Castellanos as a prospect, compared to Jacob Turner, Andrew Miller, and Cameron Maybin were at the times they were traded?