Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Tigers just DFA'd Valverde, fwiw

 

Step 1. Trade Gregg to the Tigers.

Step 2. Sign Valverde

Step 3. Hope for insane 1-2 month resurgence from Valverde

Step 4. Trade Valverde

Step 5. Profit

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

You mean overestimating. I'm talking from Detroit's point of view. Gregg's been great for us, and Navarro's been a pleasant surprise, but nobody's going to give up a top 20 prospect for a pair of journeymen, especially with both impending free agents. Even WSR thinks that's madness. I'm thinking that last years Vizcaino trade has lead some think that Theo's capable of outworldly things, when in reality he lucked into a perfect storm.

 

I'm not of the impression that Theo/Jed are going to steal away outlandish hauls of prospects. But, Detroit has shown that they're willing to trade their top prospects to "win now." Albeit for better returns than what we're offering. And I don't expect Castellanos for those 2, but would it surprise me to see Castellanos moved for a need filling package other worldly better than what we could put together? I don't think those players are out there and available, but I'd guess he's moved to fill one if not both of those needs. In comparison, where is Castellanos as a prospect, compared to Jacob Turner, Andrew Miller, and Cameron Maybin were at the times they were traded?

 

There's a reason that Gregg's been floating around the league ever since we traded a portly pitching prospect for him. Maybe we caught lighting in a bottle, maybe Bosio is a miracle worker. In either case, he's a 34 year old free agent to be, and if I were a betting man, I'd put my chips on the remainder of his career resembling 2009-2012 more so than the month or so we've had him. Considering that we got Gregg for a roster spot and Navarro for not much more, if we could get anything worth slotting into our top 10-15 for them, it would be a huge win.

[Sammy Sofa]

You mean overestimating. I'm talking from Detroit's point of view. Gregg's been great for us, and Navarro's been a pleasant surprise, but nobody's going to give up a top 20 prospect for a pair of journeymen, especially with both impending free agents. Even WSR thinks that's madness.

 

Wow, this is an impressive amount of self-awareness, and an astute evaluation of Navarro and Gregg. Is this a new day for Little Lor-...

 

I'm thinking that last years Vizcaino trade has lead some think that Theo's capable of outworldly things, when in reality he lucked into a perfect storm.

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

So close.

[davell]

Marlin mentioned that Schierholtz could be the first guy dealt and that his value is quite high.

[Little Slide Rooter]

You mean overestimating. I'm talking from Detroit's point of view. Gregg's been great for us, and Navarro's been a pleasant surprise, but nobody's going to give up a top 20 prospect for a pair of journeymen, especially with both impending free agents. Even WSR thinks that's madness.

 

Wow, this is an impressive amount of self-awareness, and an astute evaluation of Navarro and Gregg. Is this a new day for Little Lor-...

 

I'm thinking that last years Vizcaino trade has lead some think that Theo's capable of outworldly things, when in reality he lucked into a perfect storm.

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

So close.

 

But wouldn't you agree that the Vizcaino trade isn't one that can't be easily replicated? We still had the Braves, who were in need of at least a middle of the rotation veteran starter still on the line following the would be Dempster trade. They just so happened to have a broken top 50 prospect to spare. Maybe to a team in need of a closer and a catcher, Gregg and Navarro could be viewed as comparable to Maholm and Johnson to a team in need of a starting pitcher and a 4th OF/RH bat. Still, if Maholm didn't have that 2013 option, my bet is that we don't walk away with Vizcaino, broken or otherwise.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think we underestimated Maholm's trade value and overestimated Vizcaino's in the aftermath of the trade. It wasn't the outright steal it seemed, just a good move for both sides that included some high risk for us.

[Guest]

That's a lot easier to say now that Vizcaino's rehab has gone a lot worse than most anyone could have anticipated.

 

The point is that the Vizcaino trade is the opposite of a perfect storm, the front office had an even better deal lined up just a few days earlier. And the Braves situation was hardly unique with good prospects being given up for less than star players or players nearing free agency. Look at the Victorino, Chris Johnson, or Carlos Lee deals.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's a lot easier to say now that Vizcaino's rehab has gone a lot worse than most anyone could have anticipated.

 

Sure, but once you start looking at his injury history, it's hard to say that it shouldn't have been easier to say earlier.

[Little Slide Rooter]

That's a lot easier to say now that Vizcaino's rehab has gone a lot worse than most anyone could have anticipated.

 

Sure, but once you start looking at his injury history, it's hard to say that it shouldn't have been easier to say earlier.

 

On one hand, like the A's, the Braves are one of those teams that are not going to give up a potential front end starter unless they're not very optimistic as to his overall prognosis. On the other hand, I think that we did a great job selling high on Maholm. Even if we kept him and picked up his option, it takes away that extra year that came with the rental. He was. 29 at the time, and unlikely to have been kept around beyond 2013 either way. The fact that we got a player of Vizcaino's potential for him is a pretty big win in my opinion, even if he ends up a reliever. We essentially swapped a year of Maholm for a guy who could be a key player for us for years to come.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Don't look now, but the Blue Jays are on a 9 game win streak. Still in last, but finally at .500 and 5 out of a Wild Card spot. We should probably pencil them back in as a possible trade partner.

[Clem Fandango]

Don't look now, but the Blue Jays are on a 9 game win streak. Still in last, but finally at .500 and 5 out of a Wild Card spot. We should probably pencil them back in as a possible trade partner.

 

What do they even have left after they gave up most of their system to the Mets and Marlins?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Don't look now, but the Blue Jays are on a 9 game win streak. Still in last, but finally at .500 and 5 out of a Wild Card spot. We should probably pencil them back in as a possible trade partner.

 

What do they even have left after they gave up most of their system to the Mets and Marlins?

 

A raw 18-20 year old filled top 20 and a win now or die mentality. A perfect match.

[Sammy Sofa]

But wouldn't you agree that the Vizcaino trade isn't one that can't be easily replicated?

 

Of course not. The unusual part of that sequence of events was Dempster being difficult, not how the Cubs ended up with a guy like Vizcaino.

[Little Slide Rooter]

But wouldn't you agree that the Vizcaino trade isn't one that can't be easily replicated?

 

Of course not. The unusual part of that sequence of events was Dempster being difficult, not how the Cubs ended up with a guy like Vizcaino.

 

I suspect that the two sides had that deal on the back burner all along in case the Dempster deal fell apart, or at least shortly after the turbulence began. That could be why they were willing to hold out as long as they did without moving on to another team all together.

[TruffleShuffle]

Marlin mentioned that Schierholtz could be the first guy dealt and that his value is quite high.

 

does the fact that he's arbitration-eligible next year make him more valuable? not sure what his price tag would inflate to as Arb3, but he'd still be a good bargain at $4m or whatever given his current production.

[davell]

Marlin mentioned that Schierholtz could be the first guy dealt and that his value is quite high.

 

does the fact that he's arbitration-eligible next year make him more valuable? not sure what his price tag would inflate to as Arb3, but he'd still be a good bargain at $4m or whatever given his current production.

Absolutely, it does. It wouldn't surprise me that IF we deal him, we'll get the best return out of anyone we're likely to deal. My guess is only one of him or DeJesus is dealt. The other slots into our OF next year, along with Soriano(who isn't hitting enough to deal currently) and an Ellsbury or Choo.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Marlin mentioned that Schierholtz could be the first guy dealt and that his value is quite high.

 

does the fact that he's arbitration-eligible next year make him more valuable? not sure what his price tag would inflate to as Arb3, but he'd still be a good bargain at $4m or whatever given his current production.

 

The question is will teams buy into his production enough to make an offer worth giving up one of our few productive hitters? Maybe he's another DeRosa who just needed a full time opportunity, or maybe he's just another guy playing above his head. If other teams view him as the former and are willing to give up the type of return to make it worth out while, great. If not, there's no point selling in the middle. We do need to field a team next year and the farm's not exactly oozing big league ready players.

[Sammy Sofa]

Marlin mentioned that Schierholtz could be the first guy dealt and that his value is quite high.

 

does the fact that he's arbitration-eligible next year make him more valuable? not sure what his price tag would inflate to as Arb3, but he'd still be a good bargain at $4m or whatever given his current production.

 

The question is will teams buy into his production enough to make an offer worth giving up one of our few productive hitters? Maybe he's another DeRosa who just needed a full time opportunity

 

Schierholtz isn't a full time player with the Cubs.

[TruffleShuffle]

Schierholtz isn't a full time player with the Cubs.

 

no kidding. he's had 22 plate appearances against lhp.

 

schierholtz is a good example of using a player in the right situation and maximizing his value.

[TruffleShuffle]

also, kudos to ruben amaro for non-tendering schierholtz and then signing two inferior players (laynce nix, delmon young) to replace him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Schierholtz isn't a full time player with the Cubs.

 

no kidding. he's had 22 plate appearances against lhp.

 

schierholtz is a good example of using a player in the right situation and maximizing his value.

 

WSR doesn't have time to check such things.

[pitchcs]

Schierholtz isn't a full time player with the Cubs.

 

no kidding. he's had 22 plate appearances against lhp.

 

schierholtz is a good example of using a player in the right situation and maximizing his value.

 

WSR doesn't have time to check such things.

 

:lol:

[Little Slide Rooter]

For all practical purposes, he's our starting RF. He's in a 3 way tie for 1st in WAR among Cubs position players, as little as damning praise as that may be. As long as his price tag for next year is around $4MM, there's no rush to move him.

[Sammy Sofa]

For all practical purposes, he's our starting RF.

 

That's completely incorrect.

[Vinestal]

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