Rick Renteria Named New Cubs Manager

[Gmoney08]

I'm guessing the thought behind having Bobby Cox as a bench coach would be more as a mentor to someone with no coaching experience. That being said, I'd highly doubt Bobby Cox would take such a role... though, he does seem to have a close relationship with Greg. Either way, I think it would be pretty awesome.

 

I want Connie Mack!

[Banedon]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/who-should-the-cubs-hire-as-manager,34091/

[Guest]

My fav

 

Veteran who can mold young prospects into bargaining chips to trade for young prospects

[treebird]

My fav

 

Veteran who can mold young prospects into bargaining chips to trade for young prospects

 

yeah, that was the moment when i switched from laughing to quietly sighing

[jumbo]

Im ok with Maddux if he brings his brother and he toes the company line or whatever but the idea that the right guy for the job is ALSO the best pitcher in team history who has all the history with the team that he does is pretty far fetched.

I'd pump the breaks on Maddux being the greatest pitcher in our history. If it's our history then his braves years are thrown out, if that's the case he can't touch Mordecai Brown.

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It's a lot closer than you'd think.

I know it's close, just not the slam dunk it should be. Stupid Cubs letting Maddux walk.

 

 

According to Baseball Reference, Mordecai Brown was worth 45.3 WAR in 10 seasons as a CUB, while Greg Maddux was worth 33.8.

 

Brown played 5 seasons for other teams at the end of his career, in which he totaled 9.8 WAR.

Maddux, of course, spent 11 years with the Braves, amassing 66.0 WAR. In 4 years with the Dodgers and Padres he totaled 4.8 WAR.

 

Brown had some pretty incredible seasons. It's crazy to look at those numbers from the 1900's and 1910's and think about the run scoring environment as it compares to today. I know ERA isn't the stat, but in his peak his ERA was under 1.50 four straight seasons.

 

It may be evven more unbelievable that Maddux had consecutive seasons with ERAs of 1.56 and 1.63, with WARs of 8.5 and 9.7.

[Wilson A2000]

ryne sandberg will never be a successful major league manager because he is an entitled blowhard incredibly out of touch with modern baseball

 

Sandberg may never be a good manager, but entitled? He was riding the bus with A guys for a few years.

[SouthSideRyan]

ryne sandberg will never be a successful major league manager because he is an entitled blowhard incredibly out of touch with modern baseball

 

Sandberg may never be a good manager, but entitled? He was riding the bus with A guys for a few years.

 

Oh really?? So did 98% of every other manager who ever manged

 

You want to talk non-entitled, look how many years Torey Luvollo has been in the minors never getting a big league job.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales were on with Kaplan and both indicated that they thought Rick Renteria would be the guy, but I have a hard time trusting their opinions because neither one of them had anything insightful to say. It truly sounds like Levine just makes things up as he goes. He made a comment along the lines of "many of the Cubs major league players should still be in AAA, so they need someone who can teach them at the big league level." I would like him to explain exactly who on the Cubs should still be in AAA. While Castro and Rizzo may have had their struggles, I can't imagine that any organization in baseball would still have them in AAA at this point. I have no idea why he seems to think the Cubs are rushing players to the majors, when I think they are actually being pretty conservative. They have no incentive to rush anyone at this stage.

[Backtobanks]

Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales were on with Kaplan and both indicated that they thought Rick Renteria would be the guy, but I have a hard time trusting their opinions because neither one of them had anything insightful to say. It truly sounds like Levine just makes things up as he goes. He made a comment along the lines of "many of the Cubs major league players should still be in AAA, so they need someone who can teach them at the big league level." I would like him to explain exactly who on the Cubs should still be in AAA. While Castro and Rizzo may have had their struggles, I can't imagine that any organization in baseball would still have them in AAA at this point. I have no idea why he seems to think the Cubs are rushing players to the majors, when I think they are actually being pretty conservative. They have no incentive to rush anyone at this stage.

 

So much for ML managerial experience, but at least he'll be cheap. Of course no matter who gets hired, we'll hear that he was the first choice all along.

[Guest]

I really don't see it being Renteria.

[WrigleyField 22]

Well we did have some AAA players but that was after the annual sell off and some injuries.

[Post Count Padder]

What are the odds of it being Hinch or Acta with the other or Renteria being the bench coach?

[Guest]

Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales were on with Kaplan and both indicated that they thought Rick Renteria would be the guy, but I have a hard time trusting their opinions because neither one of them had anything insightful to say. It truly sounds like Levine just makes things up as he goes. He made a comment along the lines of "many of the Cubs major league players should still be in AAA, so they need someone who can teach them at the big league level." I would like him to explain exactly who on the Cubs should still be in AAA. While Castro and Rizzo may have had their struggles, I can't imagine that any organization in baseball would still have them in AAA at this point. I have no idea why he seems to think the Cubs are rushing players to the majors, when I think they are actually being pretty conservative. They have no incentive to rush anyone at this stage.

 

So much for ML managerial experience, but at least he'll be cheap. Of course no matter who gets hired, we'll hear that he was the first choice all along.

 

yea they're clearly trying to save money with the hire. that's why they wanted to give girardi whatever he wanted.

[Backtobanks]

Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales were on with Kaplan and both indicated that they thought Rick Renteria would be the guy, but I have a hard time trusting their opinions because neither one of them had anything insightful to say. It truly sounds like Levine just makes things up as he goes. He made a comment along the lines of "many of the Cubs major league players should still be in AAA, so they need someone who can teach them at the big league level." I would like him to explain exactly who on the Cubs should still be in AAA. While Castro and Rizzo may have had their struggles, I can't imagine that any organization in baseball would still have them in AAA at this point. I have no idea why he seems to think the Cubs are rushing players to the majors, when I think they are actually being pretty conservative. They have no incentive to rush anyone at this stage.

 

So much for ML managerial experience, but at least he'll be cheap. Of course no matter who gets hired, we'll hear that he was the first choice all along.

 

yea they're clearly trying to save money with the hire. that's why they wanted to give girardi whatever he wanted.

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

[Guest]

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

 

Who should they throw a bunch of money at?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe we knew all along that Girardi wouldn't leave New York and just used this as a way to look like some money might be spent and build a little cheap buzz, like that 5/$150 deal we supposedly offered Pujols or something.

[davell]

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

 

Who should they throw a bunch of money at?

LaRussa!

[Backtobanks]

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

 

Who should they throw a bunch of money at?

 

How about some ML players instead of a manager. You put enough good players out on the field that it doesn't matter who manages the team.

[BeerHere]

Bruce Levine and Mark Gonzales were on with Kaplan and both indicated that they thought Rick Renteria would be the guy, but I have a hard time trusting their opinions because neither one of them had anything insightful to say. It truly sounds like Levine just makes things up as he goes. He made a comment along the lines of "many of the Cubs major league players should still be in AAA, so they need someone who can teach them at the big league level." I would like him to explain exactly who on the Cubs should still be in AAA. While Castro and Rizzo may have had their struggles, I can't imagine that any organization in baseball would still have them in AAA at this point. I have no idea why he seems to think the Cubs are rushing players to the majors, when I think they are actually being pretty conservative. They have no incentive to rush anyone at this stage.

I've said it a dozen times on this site....Bruce Levine has no inside sources, he has no information. Maybe Renteria gets the job, maybe he doesn't. Either way, Levine is the worst.

[Guest]

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

 

Who should they throw a bunch of money at?

 

How about some ML players instead of a manager. You put enough good players out on the field that it doesn't matter who manages the team.

 

Ok?

 

You said that they "might as well go cheap" since they couldn't get Girardi. Who would they get that wouldn't be cheap?

[davell]

Cloning. A forward thinking FO would spend the upfront money, because the actual clone will be happy to play or manage for the league minimum. Might have a few hits and misses at first. Maybe you accidentally clone Coach K to be your Loogy, Richard Dawson as your right handed platoon OFer(for God sakes, he may have been left handed!) and Sir Mixalot as your strategic, saber metric inclined manager, but I'm quite certain after spending no more than 16 billion (rough estimate, don't hold me to that) on this, we'll be able to field a perfectly undefeatable team for the league minimum, eschewing drafts and IFA's completely, as we won 't be needing them.

[Backtobanks]

 

They tried to get Girardi and they knew they would have to overbid to get him. Now that they didn't get their first choice, they might as well go cheap.

 

Who should they throw a bunch of money at?

 

How about some ML players instead of a manager. You put enough good players out on the field that it doesn't matter who manages the team.

 

Ok?

 

You said that they "might as well go cheap" since they couldn't get Girardi. Who would they get that wouldn't be cheap?

 

Any "name" manager with ML experience, but my point is the manager isn't going to make much of a difference with the mediocre team they're going to have in 2014. If we finally get to the 95+ win juggernaut stage, it still won't make much of a difference. Look at Casey Stengel - a great manager with the Yankees and a horrible one with the Mets.

[Guest]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/manny-acta-uses-carlos-gomez-as-example-of-bad-rush-job-b9943157z1-213255551.html

[davell]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/manny-acta-uses-carlos-gomez-as-example-of-bad-rush-job-b9943157z1-213255551.html

1028 more for Javy.....(honestly, it IS refreshing to hear a guy talk like that though, he IS a great fit for us)

[CubsInNC]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/manny-acta-uses-carlos-gomez-as-example-of-bad-rush-job-b9943157z1-213255551.html

1028 more for Javy.....(honestly, it IS refreshing to hear a guy talk like that though, he IS a great fit for us)

 

I'm not sure that I'm ok with it being essentially 2 more full seasons before we determine if Javy's ready. I certainly imagine that it will take that many ABs for Soler and Almora though. That's a good general guideline, but sometimes there are prospects who make the necessary adjustments quickly, and need the additional challenge that the next level provides.

 

Oh, and if that had come out of Dusty Baker's mouth, we'd definitely interpret it very differently.