The 2012 Offseason Thread

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Campana/Sam Fuld for Bauer/Upton?

[SouthSideRyan]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/11842687.jpg

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

[Cubswin11]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

It was on MLBTR, I assume it was Towers, Gibson, or someone else in the organization.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

FWIW, Keith Law and Joe Sheehan both see this is an especially lousy return for the D'Backs, especially in light of their previous moves this offseason. Can't say I disagree.

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

It was on MLBTR, I assume it was Towers, Gibson, or someone else in the organization.

 

They are not quoting Towers, they are quoting a writer, Jeff Passan.

 

As much as any baseball team in recent memory, the Diamondbacks on Thursday publicly embraced the idea of grittiness and guts, of the inherent and unquantifiable. And in doing so, they finished a two-trade whammy over the last six weeks that has seen them ship out their two most talented players in an effort to better embody this belief.

First went Trevor Bauer, the super-talented and cerebral pitching prospect who rubbed manager Kirk Gibson and some teammates the wrong way. And now Upton, the super-talented and underproductive outfielder who was extremely well-liked by teammates but did not embody the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player Gibson wants, because, in a flare of vanity, Gibson wants guys who play like he did, football in a baseball uniform.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snakebitten--d-backs-make-peculiar-decision-to-trade-justin-upton-s--superstar--talent-to-bolster--grinder--culture-041239192.html

Edited January 25, 2013 by jersey cubs fan

[Guest]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

[Guest]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

[Cubswin11]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

It was on MLBTR, I assume it was Towers, Gibson, or someone else in the organization.

 

They are not quoting Towers, they are quoting a writer, Jeff Passan.

 

As much as any baseball team in recent memory, the Diamondbacks on Thursday publicly embraced the idea of grittiness and guts, of the inherent and unquantifiable. And in doing so, they finished a two-trade whammy over the last six weeks that has seen them ship out their two most talented players in an effort to better embody this belief.

First went Trevor Bauer, the super-talented and cerebral pitching prospect who rubbed manager Kirk Gibson and some teammates the wrong way. And now Upton, the super-talented and underproductive outfielder who was extremely well-liked by teammates but did not embody the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player Gibson wants, because, in a flare of vanity, Gibson wants guys who play like he did, football in a baseball uniform.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snakebitten--d-backs-make-peculiar-decision-to-trade-justin-upton-s--superstar--talent-to-bolster--grinder--culture-041239192.html

My bad

[KingCubsFan]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

It was on MLBTR, I assume it was Towers, Gibson, or someone else in the organization.

 

They are not quoting Towers, they are quoting a writer, Jeff Passan.

 

As much as any baseball team in recent memory, the Diamondbacks on Thursday publicly embraced the idea of grittiness and guts, of the inherent and unquantifiable. And in doing so, they finished a two-trade whammy over the last six weeks that has seen them ship out their two most talented players in an effort to better embody this belief.

First went Trevor Bauer, the super-talented and cerebral pitching prospect who rubbed manager Kirk Gibson and some teammates the wrong way. And now Upton, the super-talented and underproductive outfielder who was extremely well-liked by teammates but did not embody the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player Gibson wants, because, in a flare of vanity, Gibson wants guys who play like he did, football in a baseball uniform.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snakebitten--d-backs-make-peculiar-decision-to-trade-justin-upton-s--superstar--talent-to-bolster--grinder--culture-041239192.html

If Gibson is behind this, he's as bad as Dusty. Not sure which is worse: having a manager destroy all of your young players (along with their trade value) or having a manager that would prefer trading your young players for guys who play "the right way." I think I'd still lean towards Dusty.

[davell]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

The dude we took in the Rule 5, so we don't have to keep him on the main roster all year.

[Guest]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

The dude we took in the Rule 5, so we don't have to keep him on the main roster all year.

 

Derp. Rondon. I should've realized this. :banghead:

 

I just kept thinking about Anthony and wondering if he had some brother I couldn't track down (or just another dude with the same last name).

Edited January 25, 2013 by David

[NewUserName]

Kirk Gibson only played 3 full seasons of MLB. I wonder if Kirk Gibson ever considered this fact.

[JeffH]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

The dude we took in the Rule 5, so we don't have to keep him on the main roster all year.

 

That could not happen.

[Guest]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

The dude we took in the Rule 5, so we don't have to keep him on the main roster all year.

 

That could not happen.

 

Maybe not in the "just hold onto that guy as part of the deal" sense, but I'm not aware of any restrictions that the Cubs can't mostly agree on a deal that involves Rondon, then just return him to the Indians as a formality before they trade him to us outright.

[Guest]

I imagine a trade with the Indians would include the Cubs acquiring Rendon.

 

I'm not as well read on prospects as I should be, so I will often use Google...and I can't figure out who you're talking about.

The dude we took in the Rule 5, so we don't have to keep him on the main roster all year.

 

Derp. Rondon. I should've realized this. :banghead:

 

I just kept thinking about Anthony and wondering if he had some brother I couldn't track down (or just another dude with the same last name).

 

In my defense, it was relatively early when I typed that out.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Per ABTY

Cubs/Indians are in deep on Soriano talks... Sori has already told team Cleveland would be acceptable...

 

If true, I think its Chisenhall and he fills out 1B/3B bench and starter vs LHP role. Anyone else of "note" they may be after?

If the return is Chisenhall, the Cubs would likely have to include Valbuena because I doubt the Indians want Mark Reynolds playing 3B. He's a butcher at third but played pretty well at 1B last season which is where they signed him to play. And after Chisenhall, they don't have much at third, just Mike Aviles and no one good in AAA.

 

The Cubs might also want to include a 3rd player in the deal because they need to clear 2 spots on the 40-man and Chisenhall would be placed on the 40-man for sure. We have heard that Lake and Watkins were being discussed in trade talks earlier. Complete speculation, of course, but Soriano, Valbuena, Lake/Watkins/possibly Vitters (or one of many pitchers on the 40-man) and cash for Chisenhall and two younger prospects that wouldn't have to be put on the 40-man.

 

Of the younger prospects that are trade eligible, I would be interested in C - Alex Monsalve, RHP - Dillon Howard, OF - Anthony Santander, OF - Luigi Rodriguez, SS/3B - Ronny Rodriguez and LHP - Luis Lugo. There are other possibilities as well. Some players from the 2012 draft class could be traded as PTBNL, though that is a little unorthodox given the amount of time the Cubs would have to wait before they could be officially sent over. Davell mentioned that the Indians competitive compensation 2nd round draft pick can't be traded during the off-season, but might be able to be included as some sort of PTBNL.

 

That said, the rumor could fall through and all of this speculation would have been for naught...

 

While Soriano had a very nice rebound, let's not forget that he's a 37 year old with bad knees, coming off his first >1.0 WAR season in 3 years. Chisenhall is 25, has several years under team control, plays an in demand position, and has some degree of big league success. Maybe if we were dealing with a win now team, we could twist their arm a bit, but Cleveland is not that. If anything, I'd guess that we end up throwing in a somewhat intriguing player or prospect in addition to the 90some% bath, with them adding a fringe prospect or two.

 

It doesn't help matters that up until this offseason, they've done everything short of ringing a bell and marching Soriano around town shouting "boy for sale" in hopes of moving him.

[biittner77]

Didn't Valbuena come up through the Indians organization? Soriano plus Vitters makes more sense providing the non 40 man guys even out the deal.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Someone who runs an MLB organizations really said this, in 2013.... Regarding trading Bauer/Upton

 

neither player fit the club's preference for "the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player."

 

Who said that?

 

That reads like somebody else's interpretation of what was said and not a direct quote. "Get-concussed"?

It was on MLBTR, I assume it was Towers, Gibson, or someone else in the organization.

 

They are not quoting Towers, they are quoting a writer, Jeff Passan.

 

As much as any baseball team in recent memory, the Diamondbacks on Thursday publicly embraced the idea of grittiness and guts, of the inherent and unquantifiable. And in doing so, they finished a two-trade whammy over the last six weeks that has seen them ship out their two most talented players in an effort to better embody this belief.

First went Trevor Bauer, the super-talented and cerebral pitching prospect who rubbed manager Kirk Gibson and some teammates the wrong way. And now Upton, the super-talented and underproductive outfielder who was extremely well-liked by teammates but did not embody the dirt-on-the-uniform, all-out, get-concussed-or-go-home sort of player Gibson wants, because, in a flare of vanity, Gibson wants guys who play like he did, football in a baseball uniform.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snakebitten--d-backs-make-peculiar-decision-to-trade-justin-upton-s--superstar--talent-to-bolster--grinder--culture-041239192.html

I heard Towers on local Arizona sports radio yesterday and he was basically asked if that is why they traded Upton. He didn't explicitly say that was the reason, but it was clear from his answer that it was the reason. He wants the diamondbacks to be a gritty/hustling/hardworking team.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Villanueva Roster Watch, Day 37

[dew1679666265]

Didn't Valbuena come up through the Indians organization?

 

Yeah, he did. Bruce Drennan had a massive rant about him around the time he left the Indians organization.

[Cubswin11]

Didn't Valbuena come up through the Indians organization?

 

Yeah, he did. Bruce Drennan had a massive rant about him around the time he left the Indians organization.

Enjoy :D

 

[bukie]

Villanueva Roster Watch, Day 37

If the organization is looking to improve efficiency, the team physical process is a good place to start.

[Guest]

Villanueva Roster Watch, Day 37

If the organization is looking to improve efficiency, the team physical process is a good place to start.

 

Pretty sure they're looking for inefficiency.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Villanueva Roster Watch, Day 37

If the organization is looking to improve efficiency, the team physical process is a good place to start.

 

Pretty sure they're looking for inefficiency.

 

Flipping the bird to MLB roster rules is apparently an exploitable inefficiency. It's simultaneously annoying and admirable.