Cubs exploring Giancarlo Stanton's availability

[toonsterwu]

Texas is extremely unlikely to help us in getting Stanton. They've supposedly got a Profar-led package on the table themselves. While it was just reported Seattle hss had conversations with the Marlins, my guess is they wouldn't mind helping us, because it'd keep Stanton out of their division.

 

Sure, but that seems to imply that the Marlners can't get a deal done on their own. As Zduriencik showed last year, he's not shy about trading top young talent, as some Gm's can be (of course, maybe he knew something on Pineda (despite his public claims), but that's a whole different story). A package of say, Walker/Franklin certainly should get them in the game for Stanton, and so might a package of Hultzen/Franklin. A lot really depends on what the Marlins are prioritizing in a Stanton return - do they value getting a high ceiling, top prospect arm enough to pass on a better overall prospect?

 

Anyhow, on a wholly separate note, I'm not so sure that the Mariners would do a Hultzen/Franklin for Samardzija deal.

Edited January 2, 2013 by toonsterwu

[davell]

I threw that out there because they're trying to compete and they only have Felix for 2 more years. I think it's close to fair value myself, but we could lengthen it some, if need be.

[davell]

I mean, sure, you approach them about a non-Rizzo/Castro package first.

 

But as soon as they say "We have to have one of them" you say "Yes, sir!"

 

Heck, I'd bite my tongue really hard and probably say yes if they insisted on both.

I LOVE Stanton. But I'd draw the line prior to going that far.

[Cubswin11]

Could Stanton play 1B? Or would that not be a smart thing to play him there? If he could I'd be in favor of doing something around Rizzo. If Stanton's knee issues are a concern moving forward, playing 1B would probably be a wise move to minimize the wear/tear of playing OF.

[KingCubsFan]

I mean, sure, you approach them about a non-Rizzo/Castro package first.

 

But as soon as they say "We have to have one of them" you say "Yes, sir!"

 

Heck, I'd bite my tongue really hard and probably say yes if they insisted on both.

They're not going to be interested in Castro. If they're trying to make it hard for the Marlins to say no, I would think it has to start with something like Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and prospects they'd get in a Samardzija trade. And they'd probably ask for Morrison back too.

[Guest]

Could Stanton play 1B? Or would that not be a smart thing to play him there? If he could I'd be in favor of doing something around Rizzo. If Stanton's knee issues are a concern moving forward, playing 1B would probably be a wise move to minimize the wear/tear of playing OF.

 

He's a very good RFer and 1B is the easiest position to fill with offense. Other than the knee issues eventually forcing it, why would you move him to 1B?

 

Just seems like an odd question given that he'd be going backwards (slightly) in the defensive spectrum.

[Guest]

Texas is extremely unlikely to help us in getting Stanton. They've supposedly got a Profar-led package on the table themselves.

 

Good point. I didn't even consider that when mentioning Garza for Olt.

[Guest]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

[KingCubsFan]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

I don't think so. A lot of people here consider Castro virtually untradeable, and Stanton is more valuable than him.

[Sammy Sofa]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

[Guest]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

[Sammy Sofa]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

It sure as [expletive] does if you think you've got a Baby Pujols or Baby Cabrera on your hands. Half of the guys you listed are just prospects.

[Tedward]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

Agreed. Not trying to sabotage the thread, but if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price (assuming Tampa makes him available after this season)? I think I'd rather have arguably the best pitcher in the game than Stanton.

[Guest]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

Agreed. Not trying to sabotage the thread, but if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price (assuming Tampa makes him available after this season)? I think I'd rather have arguably the best pitcher in the game than Stanton.

 

I'd be wary of trading the farm for an arm but I agree with Tim that the specific proposal he mentioned was outlandish.

 

And I prefer King Felix to Price.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price

No

[Guest]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

It sure as [expletive] does if you think you've got a Baby Pujols or Baby Cabrera on your hands. Half of the guys you listed are just prospects.

 

Stanton has way too much trouble making contact for that to be the case.

[Guest]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

Agreed. Not trying to sabotage the thread, but if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price (assuming Tampa makes him available after this season)? I think I'd rather have arguably the best pitcher in the game than Stanton.

I don't think there's any possibility that the difference in pure field value between Price or Felix and Shark is equivalent to Rizzo, Baez and Vizcaino. The difference is even greater when you add in contract status and cost.

[XZero771679666304]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

It sure as [expletive] does if you think you've got a Baby Pujols or Baby Cabrera on your hands. Half of the guys you listed are just prospects.

 

I'd be all right with trading any one of the young core MLB players (Rizzo/Castro/Shark) plus 2-3 top prospects for Stanton, but I think you'd be running a real risk of taking a net loss if you're dealing two of the aforementioned core players already in the bigs.

 

Even if Stanton becomes a 7-9 WAR player, I don't think trading two of Rizzo/Shark/Castro plus a couple of our top five prospects benefits the team much, and there's a distinct possibility that it would make it worse off.

Edited January 2, 2013 by XZero77

[Sammy Sofa]

I really like Stanton, but some of the packages being offered up for him here are kinda crazy.

 

Which ones?

There's no way trading Rizzo, Baez, Vizcaino and Samardzija for one player makes sense.

 

Agreed. Not trying to sabotage the thread, but if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price (assuming Tampa makes him available after this season)? I think I'd rather have arguably the best pitcher in the game than Stanton.

 

I'd be wary of trading the farm for an arm but I agree with Tim that the specific proposal he mentioned was outlandish.

 

Why? I know Stanton has injury concerns and I don't follow the farm all that closely, but is Baez really that close to being a lock to succeeding? I tend to shrug off nearly any prospect in a trade for an established player, plus Vizcaino is coming back from surgery and if he does make there's a good chance it's in the bullpen as opposed to being a starter.

[davell]

Baez is nothing close to a lock. But, he is a top 20 prospect right now. His tools are flat-out ridiculous. With a good season in 2013, I'd lay even money on him being a top 5 prospect, heading into 2014.

[jersey cubs fan]

I tend to shrug off nearly any prospect in a trade for an established player,

 

Well, you shouldn't. Prospects have a wide range of value and the guys listed on this are pretty valuable.

 

Two quality major leaguers plus two quality prospects is a very steep price to pay.

[Splendid Splinter]

December 4, 2007: Traded by the Florida Marlins with Dontrelle Willis to the Detroit Tigers for Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Eulogio De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo.

 

That was for Miguel Cabrera.

 

What's a comparable package to that? Stanton will be even more than that IMO since he will have more team control than Cabrera did when he was traded. Heck it's not said all that much, but age is a HUGE factor when you talk about Stanton. He's like what? 4 months older than Castro?

Edited January 2, 2013 by Splendid Splinter

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Agreed. Not trying to sabotage the thread, but if we're going to trade the farm, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to trade for David Price (assuming Tampa makes him available after this season)? I think I'd rather have arguably the best pitcher in the game than Stanton.

 

I'd rather have Stanton, especially considering ages and the relative reliability of hitters over pitchers.

 

But I doubt we'll have nearly completed trades on the table for both simultaneously and just have to choose. If you can get one done, you do it without waiting to see on the other one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2002

Guys, we can't trade Kerry Wood, Hee Seop Choi, Corey Patterson and Juan Cruz. That Pujols kid is a great hitter, but let's not go nuts.

/2002

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Stanton has way too much trouble making contact for that to be the case.

 

But he's got a lot more power than either at the same age.