College Football - Week 12 (Nov. 17)

[Andy]

Top 25 games

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(1) Kansas State at Baylor (8 pm, ESPN)

(13) Stanford at (2) Oregon (3 pm, FOX)

Wake Forest at (3) Notre Dame (3:30 pm, NBC)

Western Carolina at (4) Alabama (12:20 pm, SEC Network/ESPN3)

Georgia Southern at (5) Georgia (1:30 pm, ESPN3)

Jacksonville State at (6) Florida (1 pm, ESPN3)

(6*) Ohio State at Wisconsin (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN2)

Ole Miss at (7) LSU (3:30 pm, CBS)

Sam Houston State at (8) Texas A&M (3:30 pm, ESPN3)

Wofford at (9) South Carolina (1 pm, ESPN3)

(10) Florida State at Maryland (12 pm, ESPNU)

NC State at (11) Clemson (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN2)

(12) Oklahoma at West Virginia (7 pm, FOX)

Minnesota at (14) Nebraska (3:30 pm, BTN – Regional)

California at (16) Oregon State (10:30 pm, Pac-12 Network)

(18) USC at (17) UCLA (3 pm, FOX)

Utah State at (20) Louisiana Tech (7 pm, ESPN3)

Iowa at (21) Michigan (12 pm, ESPN)

(22) Rutgers at Cincinnati (12 pm, SNY/ESPN3)

(23) Texas Tech at (24) Oklahoma State (3:30 pm, FSN)

(25) Washington at Colorado (1:30 pm, FX)

 

* Denotes AP ranking, ineligible for BCS

 

Other nationally available games

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Ohio at Ball State (8 pm Wednesday, ESPNU)

Toledo at Northern Illinois (9 pm Wednesday, ESPN2)

 

North Carolina at Virginia (7:30 pm Thursday, ESPN)

 

Florida International at Florida Atlantic (8 pm Friday, ESPNU)

Hawaii at Air Force (9:30 pm Friday, ESPN2)

 

Indiana at Penn State (12 pm, BTN)

Northwestern at Michigan State (12 pm, ESPN2)

Central Florida at Tulsa (12 pm, FSN)

Temple at Army (12 pm, CBS Sports)

Kent State at Bowling Green (12 pm, ESPN3)

Arkansas at Mississippi State (12:20 pm, SEC Network/ESPN3)

Virginia Tech at Boston College (12:30 pm, ACC Network/ESPN3)

Alabama A&M at Auburn (2 pm, ESPN3)

South Florida at Miami (3 pm, FSN South/ESPN3)

Washington State at Arizona State (3 pm, Pac-12 Network)

Purdue at Illinois (3:30 pm, BTN – Regional)

Colorado State at Boise State (3:30 pm, NBC Sports)

Texas State at Navy (3:30 pm, CBS Sports)

Duke at Georgia Tech (3:30 pm, ESPNU)

Arkansas State at Troy (3:30 pm, ESPN3)

Iowa State at Kansas (7 pm, FSN)

Syracuse at Missouri (7 pm, ESPNU)

Tennessee at Vanderbilt (7 pm, ESPN2)

Samford at Kentucky (7:30 pm, CSN South/ESPN3)

UTEP at Southern Miss (8 pm, CBS Sports)

BYU at San Jose State (10:30 pm, ESPN2)

Arizona at Utah (10:30 pm, ESPNU)

[Derwood]

so is the entire SEC playing Division 3 schools this week?

[Andy]

so is the entire SEC playing Division 3 schools this week?

Three conference games by my count. The SEC has the last laugh when they all get moved up the polls for losing only three games combined. I mean, no other conference can do that.

[bcl412]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

[NewUserName]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

 

I agree, but I have a hard time seeing who should be ranked higher. I think maybe FSU and Clemson should, but cannot make any great argument why. They both will have a chance to beat a Top Ten SEC school.

[Andy]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

This happens every year. They cannibalize each other so evenly that it all works out for them. The apparent absence of any other really good second-tier teams helps too.

[Tracer Bullet]

so is the entire SEC playing Division 3 schools this week?

 

It's good to have a late-season cupcake. The SEC knows how to set up a schedule.

[Guest]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

 

I agree, but I have a hard time seeing who should be ranked higher. I think maybe FSU and Clemson should, but cannot make any great argument why. They both will have a chance to beat a Top Ten SEC school.

 

FSU and Clemson should be ranked lower. FSU beat Clemson and that's it while Clemson's beaten nobody. Out of the 12 teams in the ACC, only five have winning records (three more are 5-5) and only two have more than six wins.

[OleMissCub]

so is the entire SEC playing Division 3 schools this week?

 

that's unfair. I'd say that Ole Miss is about at a Division 2 level right now...

[Butterscup1679666578]

well we clearly arent going to beat a&m so please beat syracuse so we can go to the [expletive] slim jim bowl

[snoodmonger]

Abuck, how is isu at stopping the run?

[abuck1220]

Abuck, how is isu at stopping the run?

 

they were a lot better before knott went out for the season, but still decent. it's their pass defense that has been horrid the last two weeks.

 

i had been marking this down as a win (and the win they need to get to 6) all season, but they looked awful the last two weeks and kansas apparently gave TT a game.

[snoodmonger]

Abuck, how is isu at stopping the run?

 

they were a lot better before knott went out for the season, but still decent. it's their pass defense that has been horrid the last two weeks.

 

i had been marking this down as a win (and the win they need to get to 6) all season, but they looked awful the last two weeks and kansas apparently gave TT a game.

 

We're playing a lot better. Should have beaten Texas. Had a great shot at tech and ok state. But we can't throw the ball, and we can't stop the pass. I think it could be a good game. We'll need usu to make some mistakes.

[UMFan83]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

 

I agree, but I have a hard time seeing who should be ranked higher. I think maybe FSU and Clemson should, but cannot make any great argument why. They both will have a chance to beat a Top Ten SEC school.

 

FSU and Clemson should be ranked lower. FSU beat Clemson and that's it while Clemson's beaten nobody. Out of the 12 teams in the ACC, only five have winning records (three more are 5-5) and only two have more than six wins.

 

I pointed this out in last weeks thread but who has South Carolina beat? Georgia and that's it. They've also lost twice instead of once for FSU. How about georgia? They beat Florida and no one else. Both teams also got completely blown out in 2 of their 3 combined losses. Florida state lost by 1 point.

[Guest]

6 teams in the top 10 is a little excessive. The SEC isn't that good.

 

I agree, but I have a hard time seeing who should be ranked higher. I think maybe FSU and Clemson should, but cannot make any great argument why. They both will have a chance to beat a Top Ten SEC school.

 

FSU and Clemson should be ranked lower. FSU beat Clemson and that's it while Clemson's beaten nobody. Out of the 12 teams in the ACC, only five have winning records (three more are 5-5) and only two have more than six wins.

 

I pointed this out in last weeks thread but who has South Carolina beat? Georgia and that's it. They've also lost twice instead of once for FSU. How about georgia? They beat Florida and no one else. Both teams also got completely blown out in 2 of their 3 combined losses. Florida state lost by 1 point.

 

Well, the SEC might not be a dominant conference this year but it's still significantly better than the ACC, which by the computer rankings which rate conferences, is closer to being a mid-major than it is to being among the non-Big East BCS conferences.

 

Here are where the third-best ACC team is ranked in the six computer rankings along with FSU and Clemson's SOS in those rankings (if available).

 

Anderson & Hester: Miami No. 55 Miami. 88/73

Billingsley: No. 47 Duke

Colley Matrix: No. 51 Duke 95/86

Massey: No. 60 Duke 101/72

Sagarin: No. 46 UNC. 90/81

Wolfe: No. 51 Duke

 

I don't feel like going through all of the polls so I'm just going to use Sagarin for this. There are seven Big 10 teams, eight Big 12 teams, nine Pac-12 teams and 10 SEC teams rated higher than No. 46 UNC. Seeing as the other polls have the No. 3 ACC team rated lower than Sagarin, I'm guessing the same holds true for those also.

 

FSU and Clemson might be better than some of those major conference teams you mentioned, but nothing they've done so far proves it. We'll see how good they are on Nov. 24, when FSU plays Florida and Clemson plays South Carolina.

[Guest]

I'd like to thank Grantland for pointing me to the the following report, which informed me that Johnny Manziel was arrested with not one, but two fake ID's after a fight in the offseason.

[NewUserName]

I'd like to thank Grantland for pointing me to the the following report, which informed me that Johnny Manziel was arrested with not one, but two fake ID's after a fight in the offseason.

 

Was one of them an ID for Johnny Football?

[Old Style]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

[Guest]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

It's more a feeling of a momentary gratitude, followed by a quick return to apathy. At least for me.

[SouthSideRyan]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

Why would that concern you?

[Old Style]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

Why would that concern you?

Oh maybe I would like to post about my alma mater's football team like everyone else without people whining and crying that no one cares about A&M on here. It's what happened over & over a few months ago so I stopped posting about the Aggies. Now others are posting about them so I guess it's OK if I do too. Now I guess you can go back to your HYSTERICAL schtick of confusing A&M with Texas State or Texas Tech. Start talking about Lubbock when you really mean College Station again like the good old days. So [expletive] funny to see that posted over and over and over and over and over.

[SouthSideRyan]

People down in Waco sure are testy.

[Tracer Bullet]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

Why would that concern you?

Oh maybe I would like to post about my alma mater's football team like everyone else without people whining and crying that no one cares about A&M on here. It's what happened over & over a few months ago so I stopped posting about the Aggies. Now others are posting about them so I guess it's OK if I do too. Now I guess you can go back to your HYSTERICAL schtick of confusing A&M with Texas State or Texas Tech. Start talking about Lubbock when you really mean College Station again like the good old days. So [expletive] funny to see that posted over and over and over and over and over.

 

Everyone gets [expletive] about their team in this thread. If you can't handle a little ribbing, maybe it's not the best place to chat about your team. Or become an ND fan. People everywhere love us.

[jersey cubs fan]

So I guess people around here care about Texas A&M now?

Why would that concern you?

Oh maybe I would like to post about my alma mater's football team like everyone else without people whining and crying that no one cares about A&M on here. It's what happened over & over a few months ago so I stopped posting about the Aggies. Now others are posting about them so I guess it's OK if I do too. Now I guess you can go back to your HYSTERICAL schtick of confusing A&M with Texas State or Texas Tech. Start talking about Lubbock when you really mean College Station again like the good old days. So [expletive] funny to see that posted over and over and over and over and over.

 

Which one is where those asstomouth freaks are from? Cause I love 'em this week.

[Smack]

[expletive] Illinois