2013 NFL Draft talk

[jersey cubs fan]

Webb is most likely going to start somewhere on the OL.

 

He shouldn't.

[sneakypower]

PFF:

The most solid all-around starter on the line was, and I can’t believe I’m writing this, J’Marcus Webb. Everyone else is a candidate for replacement.

[Rex Buckingham]

PFF:

The most solid all-around starter on the line was, and I can’t believe I’m writing this, J’Marcus Webb. Everyone else is a candidate for replacement.

 

I don't think they're necessarily advocating being ok with him as your left tackle though...

[WrigleyField 22]

The line functions primarily as a unit. While a true franchise LT can make a difference (Ogden, Pace) its still really important to be solid 1-5. When looking 1-5 our weakest points were LG, C, and RT. It also happens those spots are going to be a lot easier to fill than LT. And we have to also add RG to the list due to injury. Yea if the right LT is at 20 (or close and you trade up), or the FA$ add up, I'd love a LT, but if you do the other spots right you can live with an average left tackle. Jay isn't a statue who is particularly vulnerable to the blond side. I'm much more worried about fixing weak links, and sadly through a combination of performance and injury, Webb is #5 on that list. Whether through FA or draft, I want the best linemen, regardless of position. And I need 3-4, but will settle for 2-3 so efficiency is still a consideration, particularly when talking about FA money and what the designation of LT can do to one's price tag.

 

 

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[Guest]

The line functions primarily as a unit. While a true franchise LT can make a difference (Ogden, Pace) its still really important to be solid 1-5. When looking 1-5 our weakest points were LG, C, and RT. It also happens those spots are going to be a lot easier to fill than LT. And we have to also add RG to the list due to injury. Yea if the right LT is at 20 (or close and you trade up), or the FA$ add up, I'd love a LT, but if you do the other spots right you can live with an average left tackle. Jay isn't a statue who is particularly vulnerable to the blond side. I'm much more worried about fixing weak links, and sadly through a combination of performance and injury, Webb is #5 on that list. Whether through FA or draft, I want the best linemen, regardless of position. And I need 3-4, but will settle for 2-3 so efficiency is still a consideration, particularly when talking about FA money and what the designation of LT can do to one's price tag.

 

 

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The good news about upgrading LT is it can push Webb or Carimi (if he rebounds) to RT and RG, allowing the Bears to improve 3 positions in one move.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jay isn't a statue who is particularly vulnerable to the blond side.

 

Says who?

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[WrigleyField 22]

The line functions primarily as a unit. While a true franchise LT can make a difference (Ogden, Pace) its still really important to be solid 1-5. When looking 1-5 our weakest points were LG, C, and RT. It also happens those spots are going to be a lot easier to fill than LT. And we have to also add RG to the list due to injury. Yea if the right LT is at 20 (or close and you trade up), or the FA$ add up, I'd love a LT, but if you do the other spots right you can live with an average left tackle. Jay isn't a statue who is particularly vulnerable to the blond side. I'm much more worried about fixing weak links, and sadly through a combination of performance and injury, Webb is #5 on that list. Whether through FA or draft, I want the best linemen, regardless of position. And I need 3-4, but will settle for 2-3 so efficiency is still a consideration, particularly when talking about FA money and what the designation of LT can do to one's price tag.

 

 

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The good news about upgrading LT is it can push Webb or Carimi (if he rebounds) to RT and RG, allowing the Bears to improve 3 positions in one move.

And thats fine if a LT is sitting there and is the best OL but a stud LG could be just as helpful, although maybe that depends on the evaluation of Carimi. Hopefully he still has a future at RT and any guard move would be predicated on being pushed there by better players. If you're already set on making him guard, I guess tackle becomes a little more important.

 

 

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[rawaction]

The Carimi thing is interesting. On one hand, he's by far (based on age and where picked in the draft, nobody else is even in the conversation) the most talented OL currently on the roster. So, you want him to get every chance to make it at RT, which would probably be the most valuable position he's capable of playing.

 

But you also have Webb. And if Carimi is at RT, that means either: A) Webb is still at LT, and the OT position isn't upgraded at all; B) Webb is on the bench; C) Webb is moving to OG. A is not an option. C would be pointless. And as bad as Webb has been over the last 3 years, he was just slightly below average this year and he was much better than Carimi. So, it would be hard to justify Carimi starting over Webb unless he clearly wins the battle in camp.

 

Honestly, I think Carimi is going to be at RG next year. Ideally, a stud LT is brought in and Webb is moved to RT in this situation and then an early pick is used on a LG. Hopefully, with a full camp Carimi can really be an asset at RG and Webb can go from a bottom 1/3 LT to a middle of the pack or better RT. But that also has the potential of being a disaster on the right side of the line if both guys play like they did at various times last year. Of course with a stud and a top 20 pick on the left side, you can pretty much line up a TE or RB to chip to the right on every pass play.

[KingCubsFan]

The Carimi thing is interesting. On one hand, he's by far (based on age and where picked in the draft, nobody else is even in the conversation) the most talented OL currently on the roster. So, you want him to get every chance to make it at RT, which would probably be the most valuable position he's capable of playing.

 

But you also have Webb. And if Carimi is at RT, that means either: A) Webb is still at LT, and the OT position isn't upgraded at all; B) Webb is on the bench; C) Webb is moving to OG. A is not an option. C would be pointless. And as bad as Webb has been over the last 3 years, he was just slightly below average this year and he was much better than Carimi. So, it would be hard to justify Carimi starting over Webb unless he clearly wins the battle in camp.

 

Honestly, I think Carimi is going to be at RG next year. Ideally, a stud LT is brought in and Webb is moved to RT in this situation and then an early pick is used on a LG. Hopefully, with a full camp Carimi can really be an asset at RG and Webb can go from a bottom 1/3 LT to a middle of the pack or better RT. But that also has the potential of being a disaster on the right side of the line if both guys play like they did at various times last year. Of course with a stud and a top 20 pick on the left side, you can pretty much line up a TE or RB to chip to the right on every pass play.

I think unless something in camp changes, you are correct with replacing the left side, moving Webb to RT and Carimi to RG. Even if Carimi was drafted high, he really hasn't shown much as a RT in two years in terms of pass protection. Maybe moving to RG will reduce the injury risk too.

[bukie]

For Carimi or Cutler?

[WrigleyField 22]

The Carimi thing is interesting. On one hand, he's by far (based on age and where picked in the draft, nobody else is even in the conversation) the most talented OL currently on the roster. So, you want him to get every chance to make it at RT, which would probably be the most valuable position he's capable of playing.

 

But you also have Webb. And if Carimi is at RT, that means either: A) Webb is still at LT, and the OT position isn't upgraded at all; B) Webb is on the bench; C) Webb is moving to OG. A is not an option. C would be pointless. And as bad as Webb has been over the last 3 years, he was just slightly below average this year and he was much better than Carimi. So, it would be hard to justify Carimi starting over Webb unless he clearly wins the battle in camp.

 

Honestly, I think Carimi is going to be at RG next year. Ideally, a stud LT is brought in and Webb is moved to RT in this situation and then an early pick is used on a LG. Hopefully, with a full camp Carimi can really be an asset at RG and Webb can go from a bottom 1/3 LT to a middle of the pack or better RT. But that also has the potential of being a disaster on the right side of the line if both guys play like they did at various times last year. Of course with a stud and a top 20 pick on the left side, you can pretty much line up a TE or RB to chip to the right on every pass play.

I think unless something in camp changes, you are correct with replacing the left side, moving Webb to RT and Carimi to RG. Even if Carimi was drafted high, he really hasn't shown much as a RT in two years in terms of pass protection. Maybe moving to RG will reduce the injury risk too.

While I wouldn't plug a guy just due to draft position, I thought Carimi looked pretty good in his brief stint his rookie year. If theres a chance that last years struggles can be fixed with a full healthy offseason, I'd want to see how he looks as a tackle before writing him off as guard.

 

 

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[davell]

Ogletree with the DUI.

[Guest]

Ogletree with the DUI.

 

This on top of his 4-game suspension at the start of last season for undisclosed team violations. (What could he have done to get 4 games when two Georgia teammates got 2 games each for DUI and domestic violence arrests!?)

 

Not a great year off the field for the inside linebacker position between Ogletree and Manti Te'o's shenanigans. If I were Kevin Minter, I'd have no contact with the outside world until draft day.

[rawaction]

I understand a lot of people drive home after drinking more alcohol than would put them over the legal limit. It has probably happened every day since the automobile was invented. But if somebody told me in January (when declared for draft) that I would get millions of dollars if I just stayed out of trouble for the next 3 months....I wouldn't get anywhere near the wheel of a car if I had more than 1 drink.

 

These kids have 3-4 years to screw up. I don't understand how in the 3-4 months from when their college career ends to their NFL careers begin, how they still screw up. Millions of dollars at stake.

[neely crenshaw]

The Carimi thing is interesting. On one hand, he's by far (based on age and where picked in the draft, nobody else is even in the conversation) the most talented OL currently on the roster. So, you want him to get every chance to make it at RT, which would probably be the most valuable position he's capable of playing.

 

But you also have Webb. And if Carimi is at RT, that means either: A) Webb is still at LT, and the OT position isn't upgraded at all; B) Webb is on the bench; C) Webb is moving to OG. A is not an option. C would be pointless. And as bad as Webb has been over the last 3 years, he was just slightly below average this year and he was much better than Carimi. So, it would be hard to justify Carimi starting over Webb unless he clearly wins the battle in camp.

 

Honestly, I think Carimi is going to be at RG next year. Ideally, a stud LT is brought in and Webb is moved to RT in this situation and then an early pick is used on a LG. Hopefully, with a full camp Carimi can really be an asset at RG and Webb can go from a bottom 1/3 LT to a middle of the pack or better RT. But that also has the potential of being a disaster on the right side of the line if both guys play like they did at various times last year. Of course with a stud and a top 20 pick on the left side, you can pretty much line up a TE or RB to chip to the right on every pass play.

 

6 months ago you could have said the same thing about c.williams.

[cubbyvirus00]

DJ Fluker gaining steam as being selected anywhere from 19-25.

 

Its looking like we'll have to pick between Fluker, Ogletree, Ertz, Te'o.

[rawaction]

Here's an interesting fact. 22 of the 32 teams are pretty set at QB going into next year. Another 6 likely have and incumbent starting QB likely keeping/winning their jobs (PHIL- Vick, Jax- Gabbert, TEN- Locker, OAK- Palmer, NYJ- Sanchez, TB- Freeman).

 

Of those 28 teams, 24 of them have QBs drafted in the top 40 picks. The 4 that don't are NE (Brady), Seattle (Wilson), Dallas (Romo), and Houston (Schaub). And Schaub was traded to Houston for a top 40 pick.

 

Presumably, 1 of KC, Buffalo, Arizona, Cleveland will get Alex Smith...adding another top 40 pick to the starting QB ranks. Another safe assumption is that at least 2 of those teams will take a QB in the first round with that QB likely to start. If Cleveland doesn't do either and Brandon Weeden is their QB again next year, there will be 29 of the 32 teams will have used a top 40 pick on their starting QB or traded a top 40 pick for their starting QB.

 

Walter Football had an article about non-1st round developmental QBs. And I was surprised to find that strategy hasn't really worked very well. With Russell Wilson having a big year, teams may be looking to wait on a QB. But guys like Brady, Romo, and Wilson himself are the exceptions and developing a mid-to-late round QB only appears to work out once every 5-6 years.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Terron Armstead...jesus, that's flying.

[WrigleyField 22]

Terron Armstead...jesus, that's flying.

Had to look him up. But screw OL. With that size and speed turn that man a 3-Tech DT.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Also Lane Johnson was just .01 behind him. I know it shouldn't matter for an OL prospect, but I wonder if it solidifies him as a top 15 pick.

 

 

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[rawaction]

Armstead looked really good in the EW Shrine game. Was added to the Senior Bowl late and I thought he struggled there with better more big time experienced players. Knew he was athletic, but damn, didn't expect that. He may be a late 2nd round pick after today.

 

Lane Johnson won't make it past the Giants at 19. Probably won't make it past the Rams at 16. Doesn't look like the Chargers will take him at 11.

[shnsajax]

Marquis Goodwin ran a hand time 4.19 40. Wonder if he will still try for the Olympics in 3 years or just focus on football. Could be a nice 3rd round steal for someone.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Marquis Goodwin ran a hand time 4.19 40. Wonder if he will still try for the Olympics in 3 years or just focus on football. Could be a nice 3rd round steal for someone.

Raiders

[dew1679666265]

Marquis Goodwin ran a hand time 4.19 40. Wonder if he will still try for the Olympics in 3 years or just focus on football. Could be a nice 3rd round steal for someone.

 

Wow... who hand timed him with that speed? NFL Network had him at 4.25 and 4.29.

[Guest]

Marquis Goodwin ran a hand time 4.19 40. Wonder if he will still try for the Olympics in 3 years or just focus on football. Could be a nice 3rd round steal for someone.

 

Wow... who hand timed him with that speed? NFL Network had him at 4.25 and 4.29.

 

@nflnetwork: Mayock says 'several scouts' for one team clocked Goodwin at 4.19 (unofficial). #NFLCombine