Source: Castro Agrees to 7/60M Extension (Option Year: 16M)

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

Grace run out of town? They offered him another contract and he took less to go to Arizona.

 

Sandberg can't get a contract because he isn't fit for the job, but the idiots still think he should have it.

[davell]

When an old school GM is determined to hire a gritty, fiery coach who played the game the right way, Sandberg will most likely be in the running.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

You have a very, very interesting view of how those players are perceived.

[CUBZ99]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

Grace run out of town? They offered him another contract and he took less to go to Arizona.

 

Sandberg can't get a contract because he isn't fit for the job, but the idiots still think he should have it.

 

They offered Grace a contract? It is true that he played for less with the Diamondbacks in 2001 than he made with the Cubs in 2000, but the reason he took less was because the Cubs declined to tender him a contract.

[Cubswin11]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

Grace run out of town? They offered him another contract and he took less to go to Arizona.

 

Sandberg can't get a contract because he isn't fit for the job, but the idiots still think he should have it.

 

They offered Grace a contract? It is true that he played for less with the Diamondbacks in 2001 than he made with the Cubs in 2000, but the reason he took less was because the Cubs declined to tender him a contract.

Regardless of the contract situation with Grace I still think he is still thought of in relatively high regard amongst Cubs fans. Especially the Kaplans of the world

Edited August 13, 2012 by Cubswin11

[flyseye]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

Grace run out of town? They offered him another contract and he took less to go to Arizona.

 

Sandberg can't get a contract because he isn't fit for the job, but the idiots still think he should have it.

 

Completely wrong about Grace. They did not offer him salary arbitration,basically told him to hit the road, and he took what he could get from the Diamondbacks. Why do you think Grace is still resentful towards the Cubs ?

 

Edit: CUBZ99 beat me to it.

[Cubswin11]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

I think it's more that maybe he's not a good coach or a organization hasn't had an opening at the ML level who share the same philosophies as Ryno. Also Sandberg is still relatively young in regards to coaches, so it's not like he's some coach whose been rotting away in the minors for decades and just started getting into coaching a few years ago.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

[flyseye]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

 

Nobody is misunderstanding anything but you. You tried to use a pathetic analogy stating that incidents, many of them isolated, by white guys, were ignored by the fans and press, while Zambrano was a victim of racism. I went on to cite that if a kid like you remembers the "white guy" stuff when he wasnt even alive to see much of it, it must have gotten, and continues to get plenty of press. I then went on to cite how said white guys were treated as badly as Zambrano. Zambrano would have been gone from most organizations long before the Cubs finally cut him loose.

 

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

 

Nobody is misunderstanding anything but you. You tried to use a pathetic analogy stating that incidents, many of them isolated, by white guys, were ignored by the fans and press, while Zambrano was a victim of racism. I went on to cite that if a kid like you remembers the "white guy" stuff when he wasnt even alive to see much of it, it must have gotten, and continues to get plenty of press. I then went on to cite how your beloved white guys were treated as badly as Zambrano. Zambrano would have been gone from most organizations long before the Cubs finally cut him loose.

 

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Lots of bad equivocation in that post.

 

"Ignored" doesn't mean nobody ever heard of it (though some of the incidents were very sparsely reported on compared to what you would get today. It took some digging to find. Most casual fans will have never heard of it). It means ignored when forming opinions. Disregarded.

 

Your "treated as badly" isn't applicable because again, this isn't about how the Cubs organization or Hall of Fame voters treated the players. I don't care that Zambrano was traded. I care that he was made the victim of a ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town.

 

You are either misunderstanding or intentionally trying to obfuscate in order to turn a blind eye to the institutional racism. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[KingCubsFan]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

It was originally about how writers and the fans treat certain players. I wasn't alive when Santo played, so I don't know how the fans felt about him. It probably can't be accurately described, as people are arguing about how players were perceived 5-10 years ago. But it's clear that the writers did not like him, as illustrated by the Hall of Fame votes.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

It was originally about how writers and the fans treat certain players. I wasn't alive when Santo played, so I don't know how the fans felt about him. It probably can't be accurately described, as people are arguing about how players were perceived 5-10 years ago. But it's clear that the writers did not like him, as illustrated by the Hall of Fame votes.

 

Most specifically, we are talking about the current, local Chicago media. This is a relatively recent trend that has been getting worse in recent years.

[KingCubsFan]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

It was originally about how writers and the fans treat certain players. I wasn't alive when Santo played, so I don't know how the fans felt about him. It probably can't be accurately described, as people are arguing about how players were perceived 5-10 years ago. But it's clear that the writers did not like him, as illustrated by the Hall of Fame votes.

 

Most specifically, we are talking about the current, local Chicago media. This is a relatively recent trend that has been getting worse in recent years.

I doubt it's been "getting worse." You've just picked up on it in recent years. Something tells me the media of the 50's and 60's was worse.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

People are having trouble understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about how the Cubs front office treats players, nor how national HOF voters perceive them. Well, we are now, but that's not what we were before those were put up as poorly thought rebuttals.

 

Nobody is misunderstanding anything but you. You tried to use a pathetic analogy stating that incidents, many of them isolated, by white guys, were ignored by the fans and press, while Zambrano was a victim of racism. I went on to cite that if a kid like you remembers the "white guy" stuff when he wasnt even alive to see much of it, it must have gotten, and continues to get plenty of press. I then went on to cite how your beloved white guys were treated as badly as Zambrano. Zambrano would have been gone from most organizations long before the Cubs finally cut him loose.

 

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Lots of bad equivocation in that post.

 

"Ignored" doesn't mean nobody ever heard of it (though some of the incidents were very sparsely reported on compared to what you would get today. It took some digging to find. Most casual fans will have never heard of it). It means ignored when forming opinions. Disregarded.

 

Your "treated as badly" isn't applicable because again, this isn't about how the Cubs organization or Hall of Fame voters treated the players. I don't care that Zambrano was traded. I care that he was made the victim of a ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town.

 

You are either misunderstanding or intentionally trying to obfuscate in order to turn a blind eye to the institutional racism. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

 

A ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town? This is the stuff I'm talking about. It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap that they actually blame the media for Zambrano being run out of town? Come on, man. There might be examples you could use that I might not agree with but perhaps would make me pause.

 

Carlos Zambrano is at the top of the list of ones that won't.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, and to be clear you are talking about the Mark Grace who got run out of town after the 2000 season, and the Ron Santo who never got into the HOF until he was dead, and the Ryne Sandberg who cant get a major league coaching contract, correct ? I applaud those who make an effort to stand up to racism, but some of the posturing on this board is WAY over the top.

 

Grace run out of town? They offered him another contract and he took less to go to Arizona.

 

Sandberg can't get a contract because he isn't fit for the job, but the idiots still think he should have it.

 

Completely wrong about Grace. They did not offer him salary arbitration,basically told him to hit the road, and he took what he could get from the Diamondbacks. Why do you think Grace is still resentful towards the Cubs ?

 

Edit: CUBZ99 beat me to it.

 

They were on a series of one year contracts with him and Grace didn't want that anymore, he wanted to break the bank one last time and the Cubs didn't want to do that. So they didn't stand in his way when he chose to leave. They didn't offer arbitration because you have to offer a raise in arbitration and they didn't want to give him a raise.

[jersey cubs fan]

It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap

 

It seems some people are so blindly ignorant about the painfully obvious that they say whatever they can to pretend it is not happening.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

A ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town? This is the stuff I'm talking about. It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap that they actually blame the media for Zambrano being run out of town? Come on, man. There might be examples you could use that I might not agree with but perhaps would make me pause.

 

Carlos Zambrano is at the top of the list of ones that won't.

 

 

You keep making inferences that aren't there to be made.

 

The media has a habit of trying to run players out of town.

 

Carlos Zambrano was shipped out.

 

That doesn't mean I think the media ran him out of town. The two were coincidental. They're beginning to work on Castro, too, but he's not going anywhere.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap

 

It seems some people are so blindly ignorant about the painfully obvious that they say whatever they can to pretend it is not happening.

 

Listen, I'm not a guy who pretends it doesn't exist. And when I see it, I have no problem calling it out. But nobody has been able to convince me yet that the Chicago media has this racist side you continue to say they do.

 

At this point, I'd have to label some people here a bit too sensitive. Perhaps you have trained yourself to call out racism every time somebody says something that isn't positive about a minority. That's what is painfully obvious to me, but you can pretend that's not what you are doing.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

A ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town? This is the stuff I'm talking about. It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap that they actually blame the media for Zambrano being run out of town? Come on, man. There might be examples you could use that I might not agree with but perhaps would make me pause.

 

Carlos Zambrano is at the top of the list of ones that won't.

 

 

You keep making inferences that aren't there to be made.

 

The media has a habit of trying to run players out of town.

 

Carlos Zambrano was shipped out.

 

That doesn't mean I think the media ran him out of town. The two were coincidental. They're beginning to work on Castro, too, but he's not going anywhere.

 

Huh?

 

You said, "I don't care that Zambrano was traded. I care that he was made the victim of a ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town."

 

Isn't that saying you think the media did or attempted to run him out of town?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

A ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town? This is the stuff I'm talking about. It seems some people are so convinced about this racist media crap that they actually blame the media for Zambrano being run out of town? Come on, man. There might be examples you could use that I might not agree with but perhaps would make me pause.

 

Carlos Zambrano is at the top of the list of ones that won't.

 

 

You keep making inferences that aren't there to be made.

 

The media has a habit of trying to run players out of town.

 

Carlos Zambrano was shipped out.

 

That doesn't mean I think the media ran him out of town. The two were coincidental. They're beginning to work on Castro, too, but he's not going anywhere.

 

Huh?

 

You said, "I don't care that Zambrano was traded. I care that he was made the victim of a ridiculous media campaign to run him out of town."

 

Isn't that saying you think the media did or attempted to run him out of town?

 

The media makes a player or two a scapegoat every year. They try to run that player out of town with the sort of coverage we've been talking about for the last two years.

 

Whether that player actually leaves town or not is up to the front office. So the media doesn't actually run anyone out of town, despite their yearly efforts to do so that coincidentally have focused on a minority player pretty much every year since Todd Hundley.

Edited August 13, 2012 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Bryants Disco Ball]

And why that is crazy to say is that media guys eat players like Zambrano up. They are fun to cover. No reason to want to run him out of town. Edited August 13, 2012 by Bryant's Disco Ball

[Bryants Disco Ball]

And why that is crazy to say is that media guys eat players like Zambrano up. They are fun to cover. No reason to want to run him out of town.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I didn't mean to quote myself. But it is a damn good point.

[SouthSideRyan]

The issue every time this comes up is that people hear racism and are picturing Kaplan in a white hood burning a cross on Soriano's front lawn. (Non-white is non-white) Racism can exist without being overt, or even intentional.

[jersey cubs fan]

I didn't mean to quote myself. But it is a damn good point.

 

No it isn't. The media chews stories up and spits them out on a regular basis. Somebody like Bruce Miles covers most things with a levelheaded "just the facts ma'am" approach that is underappreciated. The more obnoxious members of the media know there will always be another "fun thing to cover" so they don't have any problem ruining one storyline in the pursuit of exploiting it. Their purpose isn't necessarily to run the player out of town, although in some instances it's pretty clear that is part of the motive. Their purpose is to exploit a story and rile up the masses with hate, anger, accusations of laziness and other forms of tearing down the player.

 

Somebody like Kaplan is a jock sniffer that will prop up his buddies while tearing down the guys he doesn't want to try and go on a double date with.