Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[neely crenshaw]

the problem we could run into is that with the pick up of rameriz, the dodgers may not feel they need dempster. the will get lilly back soon, which gives them kershaw, billlingsley, capuano,lilly and harang, pitching hasn't been their problem, health has and missing kemp,either and gordan has. kemp/either are back, rameriz is in the fold, they may feel good for the stretch.

 

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

 

no my theory is that they have the 3rd best pitching statistically in the bigs. their problem has been injuries to the staff, and offense-especially with either and kemp out. their back, they added rameriz to help offensively. they will get lilly back soon(he can be activated any time now) their worst pitchers have been their big dollar guys kershaw and billingsley- so they aren't going anywhere. do they feel they need to trade one of their stud prospects for 2 months of dempster? are they willing to trade when there may not be a huge difference in dempster and harang?

[Guest]

the problem we could run into is that with the pick up of rameriz, the dodgers may not feel they need dempster. the will get lilly back soon, which gives them kershaw, billlingsley, capuano,lilly and harang, pitching hasn't been their problem, health has and missing kemp,either and gordan has. kemp/either are back, rameriz is in the fold, they may feel good for the stretch.

 

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

They got wins.

[davell]

Can't see any scenario where Maholm gets us Delgado. Shocked still that Dempster could have.

[dew1679666265]

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

 

The Dodgers needed an upgrade, be it pitching or offense. They got that upgrade in Hanley Ramirez so it's very plausible that they no longer feel the need to upgrade their roster, at least at the cost of a prospect of significance.

[RynoRules]

Tribune:

Dempster on dugout tirade: 'I'm allowed to get upset'

 

This is quickly turning into a discussion around what Dempster can/can't do!

 

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/427504_10101775680493870_222904752_n.jpg

 

[expletive] brilliant

[Guest]

the problem we could run into is that with the pick up of rameriz, the dodgers may not feel they need dempster. the will get lilly back soon, which gives them kershaw, billlingsley, capuano,lilly and harang, pitching hasn't been their problem, health has and missing kemp,either and gordan has. kemp/either are back, rameriz is in the fold, they may feel good for the stretch.

 

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

They got wins.

 

I'd be much more inclined to follow that sentiment if they hadn't just opened up a hole in their rotation where they have no acceptable options to fill it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

would atl be interested in maholm if we paid rest of salary this yr and all of option next yr? it would be close to same $ as demp for us and for atl it would give them a good sp this yr plus they get him all of next yr for free. to me that would be better for them then dempster. just trying to come up with ways for us to get delgado still!

 

I think that a lot of teams would be very interested in Maholm, with or without us paying a dime. However, I simply can't see him bringing back Delgado.

 

His return probably depends on what shows up on the market in the next week. Greinke will cost more than a lot of teams are willing to pay, and there's only one of him. We havn't heard much on the status of Garza since his paternity leave. Josh Johnson and Cliff Lee could be available, but someone would need to really blow them away with an offer.Beyond that, Edninson Volquez, Jason Vargas, Clayton Richard, Joe Saunders, and the one and only Big Z are all options for teams looking for a solid mid rotation starter.

[Tyrant]

So is a qualifying offer the same as offering arbitration? Is this a new CBA thing or are they different terms for the same thing?

[Guest]

the problem we could run into is that with the pick up of rameriz, the dodgers may not feel they need dempster. the will get lilly back soon, which gives them kershaw, billlingsley, capuano,lilly and harang, pitching hasn't been their problem, health has and missing kemp,either and gordan has. kemp/either are back, rameriz is in the fold, they may feel good for the stretch.

 

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

They got wins.

 

I'd be much more inclined to follow that sentiment if they hadn't just opened up a hole in their rotation where they have no acceptable options to fill it.

Given Hanley's decline, I'm not sure they netted wins either. I was just explain the other guys logic.

[Guest]

So is a qualifying offer the same as offering arbitration? Is this a new CBA thing or are they different terms for the same thing?

 

Directionally, they're similar. In arbitration, the salary is negotiable, and if it goes all the way to the arbitrator, is based off the player's performance. The qualifying offer, to my knowledge, is a static number based on the Top 120 salaries in MLB. So technically, if the Cubs REALLY wanted to keep Reed Johnson around next year, they could make a qualifying offer(at which point no one else would want him since they'd have to forfeit a 1st round pick to sign him) and have him for the ~12-14 million the QO is worth, even though he would never ever ever ever make that arbittration.

[Elrhino]

Very plausible scenario that Lilly assured the Dodgers front office that Dempster was going to use his 10/5 to assure they were the only real contenders for him, and they pulled their existing offer off the table at the last minute upon learning they were essentially bidding against themselves.

 

They've leveraged a situation where the Cubs pretty much have to trade him to LA. We're not going to an MLB ready guy with any kind of ceiling like Delgado. The question is whether the Cubs go the major league ready low ceiling guy like Gould, or go with a couple of high ceiling A ball types.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Elrhino

[Warpticon]

It kills me that people are still butchering "Ramirez" after all this time.

[Guest]

Very plausible scenario that Lilly assured the Dodgers front office that Dempster was going to use his 10/5 to assure they were the only real contenders for him, and they pulled their existing offer off the table at the last minute upon learning they were essentially bidding against themselves.

 

They've leveraged a situation where the Cubs pretty much have to trade him to LA. We're not going to an MLB ready guy with any kind of ceiling like Delgado. The question is whether the Cubs go the major league ready low ceiling guy like Gould, or go with a couple of high ceiling A ball types.

 

Gould doesn't have a low ceiling. Heck, his stuff is better than Zach Lee's.

[sneakypower]

Kaplan just stated the hole created by Eovaldi being traded means the Dodgers could be back in for Dempster to fill his rotation spot. Zach Lee back on the table?

 

No

...source?

[tgkimmel]

Kaplan just stated the hole created by Eovaldi being traded means the Dodgers could be back in for Dempster to fill his rotation spot. Zach Lee back on the table?

 

No

...source?

 

In the trib this morning

The Dodgers are back in the mix, with the Cubs asking for Double-A pitcher Allen Webster, according to foxsports.com.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0726-cubs-pirates-chicago--20120726,0,7300734.story

[ctcf]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

One industry source believes Zack Greinke will be dealt before Ryan Dempster. Dempster to #Dodgers possibility remains in limbo.

[HossmanGT]

Am I the only one that still thinks Dempster will be in a Braves uniform when its all said and done?

 

The Braves are desperate to add a starting pitcher and until they do, they would absolutely still entertain the idea of a Dempster deal. Frank Wren has to publically state they are moving on with other options, but if Dempster takes a couple days and realizes Atlanta is his best option I think the deal will still be struck.

[davell]

I see Greinke going to Atlanta or Texas. They'll be in a bidding war for him. Hopefully Atlanta loses.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that still thinks Dempster will be in a Braves uniform when its all said and done?

 

The Braves are desperate to add a starting pitcher and until they do, they would absolutely still entertain the idea of a Dempster deal. Frank Wren has to publically state they are moving on with other options, but if Dempster takes a couple days and realizes Atlanta is his best option I think the deal will still be struck.

 

I don't know. He has sort of burned bridges with ATL by expressing the desire to go to LA instead. A trade to Atlanta now seems like it would be pretty uncomfortable for him.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I'm sure the Brewers would ask for Teheran in any deal involving Greinke. The Cubs' best hope may be to convince the Braves that we're only asking for Delgado and that the difference between 11ish starts from Dempster and 11ish starts from Greinke isn't significant enough to justify trading their best prospect to the Brewers.

[SouthSideRyan]

Am I the only one that still thinks Dempster will be in a Braves uniform when its all said and done?

 

The Braves are desperate to add a starting pitcher and until they do, they would absolutely still entertain the idea of a Dempster deal. Frank Wren has to publically state they are moving on with other options, but if Dempster takes a couple days and realizes Atlanta is his best option I think the deal will still be struck.

 

I don't know. He has sort of burned bridges with ATL by expressing the desire to go to LA instead. A trade to Atlanta now seems like it would be pretty uncomfortable for him.

 

I remember how lustily Fred McGriff was booed in Chicago.

[davell]

Probably so, but I could see them wanting a package, instead of Teheran and probably not much else. Plus, he's really been pitching bad. Worse than bad.

[neely crenshaw]

the problem we could run into is that with the pick up of rameriz, the dodgers may not feel they need dempster. the will get lilly back soon, which gives them kershaw, billlingsley, capuano,lilly and harang, pitching hasn't been their problem, health has and missing kemp,either and gordan has. kemp/either are back, rameriz is in the fold, they may feel good for the stretch.

 

So your theory is that the Dodgers don't need pitching anymore, because they got a 3B?

They got wins.

 

I'd be much more inclined to follow that sentiment if they hadn't just opened up a hole in their rotation where they have no acceptable options to fill it.

 

that gives hope. evoldi's spot is due friday. jamey wright could make a spot start but did throw 2 innings yesterday. lilly is due for a simulated game before he is activated but with off days, they only have one more start to cover before lilly is ready. I am not saying they won't do this, i am just saying that they may not be willing to give as much back.

I really don't like the idea of going to a qualifying offer. even sandwich picks are a crap shoot, and it would someone that is probably years from being able to help if ever. hoping that is just rhetoric trying to get back some leverage with teams.

i am getting worried simply because the names coming on the market seem to getting longer and the list of potential suitors seem to be getting shorter.

[ctcf]

The front office should hurry and arrange another trade while twitter is still down.

[Deeg]

The Dodgers are looking to "add a position player" as well as a SP, according to the LA Times this morning. I'd give them Demp and Barney for Webster if they were willing.