Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Elrhino]

At this point keep Dempster and let karma play out. Dodgers get bounced in the first round of the playoffs thanks to bad pitching. Dempster's carefully crafted "good guy" image gets shredded for another year in Chicago after he has to take the 1 year of arb without the one final payday, and the Cubs ship him off to Kansas City or Baltimore at the trading deadline next year when no one else wants the primadonna.

[javy knows my name]

So the best the Cubs can get from the Dodgers is their AA reliever with the shredded shoulder, or some other equivalent of damaged goods?

 

This is impossible. Castro's Spray Chart assured me that we were going to get a package the equal of, if not better, than Delgado, and then he was going to come and laugh at us for doubting his genius insight.

 

Yeah, I didn't say that. I said you and your angsty ilk were all were prematurely ejaculating doom, and I stand by it.

[Cubswin11]

At this point keep Dempster and let karma play out. Dodgers get bounced in the first round of the playoffs thanks to bad pitching. Dempster's carefully crafted "good guy" image gets shredded for another year in Chicago after he has to take the 1 year of arb without the one final payday, and the Cubs ship him off to Kansas City or Baltimore at the trading deadline next year when no one else wants the primadonna.

He still will have his 10/5 rights.......

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Heyman:

 

The Cubs offered to send Ryan Dempster to his preferred Dodgers straight up for solid right-handed pitching prospect Allen Webster, but the Dodgers have rejected the offer.

 

The issue seems to be this: the Dodgers don't love Dempster as much as he loves them.

 

According to people briefed on the talks, the Dodgers have thus far offered a couple of lesser prospects, guys who may project as relievers.

 

The Dodgers, it seems, are much more interested in a different Cubs pitcher, Matt Garza.

 

It's possible the Dodgers are playing hardball because they're holding the cards. But word is, they do indeed prefer Garza.

 

The Braves, meanwhile, are disappointed but say they have moved on after originally believing Dempster would approve a trade to Atlanta before Dempster did an about face and rejected the trade. Dempster is said to have at first told Braves players he would go, and apparently all the folks making the trade understood that as well.

 

The Braves, who were originally committed to trading top prospect Randall Delgado to Chicago for Dempster, are now telling people that there's a value to having players who want to play for them and suggesting that there's little likelihood they'd take Dempster even if he came crawling back. They are now trying to trade for Zack Greinke.

 

Oh my. This is one of the most frustrating things I've ever read. I hope it is not all true.

 

I'm betting it's all true. And it's going to be even more frustrating for all of us when a story comes out in December and Dempster is quoted saying how he regrets not accepting the trade.

[illiniguy]

Again, if it came down to it I'm not sure how the draft pick or another year of Dempster for 12.5 MM would be the worst thing in the world.

 

We're not getting a draft pick.

He doesnt understand how the system works now.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Again, if it came down to it I'm not sure how the draft pick or another year of Dempster for 12.5 MM would be the worst thing in the world.

 

We're not getting a draft pick.

He doesnt understand how the system works now.

 

I don't really either, but with the last five days of news I've learned that we aren't going to get a pick out of this. Maybe WSR will figure it out in a month or two.

[Gilby]

Heyman:

 

The Cubs offered to send Ryan Dempster to his preferred Dodgers straight up for solid right-handed pitching prospect Allen Webster, but the Dodgers have rejected the offer.

 

The issue seems to be this: the Dodgers don't love Dempster as much as he loves them.

 

According to people briefed on the talks, the Dodgers have thus far offered a couple of lesser prospects, guys who may project as relievers.

 

The Dodgers, it seems, are much more interested in a different Cubs pitcher, Matt Garza.

 

It's possible the Dodgers are playing hardball because they're holding the cards. But word is, they do indeed prefer Garza.

 

The Braves, meanwhile, are disappointed but say they have moved on after originally believing Dempster would approve a trade to Atlanta before Dempster did an about face and rejected the trade. Dempster is said to have at first told Braves players he would go, and apparently all the folks making the trade understood that as well.

 

The Braves, who were originally committed to trading top prospect Randall Delgado to Chicago for Dempster, are now telling people that there's a value to having players who want to play for them and suggesting that there's little likelihood they'd take Dempster even if he came crawling back. They are now trying to trade for Zack Greinke.

 

Oh my. This is one of the most frustrating things I've ever read. I hope it is not all true.

 

I'm betting it's all true. And it's going to be even more frustrating for all of us when a story comes out in December and Dempster is quoted saying how he regrets not accepting the trade.

 

And then signs with the Braves later that month.

[Elrhino]

At this point keep Dempster and let karma play out. Dodgers get bounced in the first round of the playoffs thanks to bad pitching. Dempster's carefully crafted "good guy" image gets shredded for another year in Chicago after he has to take the 1 year of arb without the one final payday, and the Cubs ship him off to Kansas City or Baltimore at the trading deadline next year when no one else wants the primadonna.

He still will have his 10/5 rights.......

 

Which he's only used because he thinks the Dodgers will pull the trigger for him this year and he'll get to join his BFF. The Dodgers obviously don't even want him much this year, much less after they address pitching in the offseason. Next year when the choice is going to Baltimore or staying persona non grata in Chicago, I'm betting he packs his bags and gets out of town.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Elrhino

[Guest]

At this point, if no one from the organization has gone to Ryan and explained in blunt terms "you are probably costing yourself tens of millions of dollars by blocking a trade", then it might be nearing the time to do that. Of course, if the idea all along is to try to steer Dempster back to Atlanta, then noise of LA turning down modest Cub proposals is probably the way to get that done.

[Elrhino]

So the best the Cubs can get from the Dodgers is their AA reliever with the shredded shoulder, or some other equivalent of damaged goods?

 

This is impossible. Castro's Spray Chart assured me that we were going to get a package the equal of, if not better, than Delgado, and then he was going to come and laugh at us for doubting his genius insight.

 

Yeah, I didn't say that. I said you and your angsty ilk were all were prematurely ejaculating doom, and I stand by it.

 

I know, and thanks for inadvertently bringing the lulz then and now.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Elrhino

[illiniguy]

Again, if it came down to it I'm not sure how the draft pick or another year of Dempster for 12.5 MM would be the worst thing in the world.

 

We're not getting a draft pick.

He doesnt understand how the system works now.

 

I don't really either, but with the last five days of news I've learned that we aren't going to get a pick out of this. Maybe WSR will figure it out in a month or two.

Yeah we aren't getting a pick for him. The best thing we could have hoped for happened, then Demp [expletive] all over it. I hope he gets booed now. Had he been straight forward like Aramis was I wouldn't be this pissed.

[illiniguy]

At this point, if no one from the organization has gone to Ryan and explained in blunt terms "you are probably costing yourself tens of millions of dollars by blocking a trade", then it might be nearing the time to do that. Of course, if the idea all along is to try to steer Dempster back to Atlanta, then noise of LA turning down modest Cub proposals is probably the way to get that done.

Maybe you are on to something here. Sadly it won't matter now. Atlanta wouldn't offer Delgado now, IMO.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Heyman:

 

The Cubs offered to send Ryan Dempster to his preferred Dodgers straight up for solid right-handed pitching prospect Allen Webster, but the Dodgers have rejected the offer.

 

The issue seems to be this: the Dodgers don't love Dempster as much as he loves them.

 

According to people briefed on the talks, the Dodgers have thus far offered a couple of lesser prospects, guys who may project as relievers.

 

The Dodgers, it seems, are much more interested in a different Cubs pitcher, Matt Garza.

 

It's possible the Dodgers are playing hardball because they're holding the cards. But word is, they do indeed prefer Garza.

 

The Braves, meanwhile, are disappointed but say they have moved on after originally believing Dempster would approve a trade to Atlanta before Dempster did an about face and rejected the trade. Dempster is said to have at first told Braves players he would go, and apparently all the folks making the trade understood that as well.

 

The Braves, who were originally committed to trading top prospect Randall Delgado to Chicago for Dempster, are now telling people that there's a value to having players who want to play for them and suggesting that there's little likelihood they'd take Dempster even if he came crawling back. They are now trying to trade for Zack Greinke.

 

Oh my. This is one of the most frustrating things I've ever read. I hope it is not all true.

 

I'm betting it's all true. And it's going to be even more frustrating for all of us when a story comes out in December and Dempster is quoted saying how he regrets not accepting the trade.

 

And then signs with the Braves later that month.

 

Then names his next child Turner.

[davell]

We're not in THAT bad of a spot here, the more I've thought about it. Dodgers want a pitcher and we've got one that evidently only wants to be there. Sounds bad. Until you realize the Dodgers are very unlikely to outbid a team like Texas for Greinke. And can't, if Texas decides they really want him. Josh Johnson? Toronto likes him a lot, among others. Again, Dodgers would have to gut their system to get him and Toronto could easily beat their offer, even if they did. 3rd option is Garza. Who may be hurt, but we've got other teams on anyway. Then comes Dempster. Relatively low asking price, best season of anyone being mentioned AND he wants to be there. Yeah, Dodgers can take a lesser pitcher and pay the same price they would for Dempster, or maybe even more, for Shields(struggling his ass off), Liriano, Nolasco, or some other lower end guy. But they want a pitcher. Dempster's their best fit and it's not going to gut their system. They'll give us a decent package, in the end, because of these things.

[CubColtPacer]

Again, if it came down to it I'm not sure how the draft pick or another year of Dempster for 12.5 MM would be the worst thing in the world.

 

We're not getting a draft pick.

He doesnt understand how the system works now.

 

I don't really either, but with the last five days of news I've learned that we aren't going to get a pick out of this. Maybe WSR will figure it out in a month or two.

Yeah we aren't getting a pick for him. The best thing we could have hoped for happened, then Demp [expletive] all over it. I hope he gets booed now. Had he been straight forward like Aramis was I wouldn't be this pissed.

 

The Cubs might get a pick out of it. Nobody really knows how teams are going to value their draft budget vs upgrading their team now. Yes, they lose their first round draft slot budget, but they also don't have to sign their first round pick. So they lose a little bit of flexibility in under slotting pick 1 to spread it out for later, but they might feel it's worth it to add a pretty good starter. Of course, Dempster might not decline the offer, but if he does I think the odds are better than some others think of somebody choosing to sign him.

[Elrhino]

With just a few days away from the deadline, no one has time to waste. No MLB front office is going to look at the Braves being stood up at the alter and say "Yeah, I want some of that." If Texas wants pitching, they have more than enough ammo to land Grienke or Shields and stay well enough away from this fiasco.

[Guest]

I don't doubt that teams will be willing to forego their 1st rounder and corresponding slot money for free agents. I'm just really skeptical that they will do it so they can give 36 year old Ryan Dempster a sizeable free agent contract.

[Little Slide Rooter]

At this point, if no one from the organization has gone to Ryan and explained in blunt terms "you are probably costing yourself tens of millions of dollars by blocking a trade", then it might be nearing the time to do that. Of course, if the idea all along is to try to steer Dempster back to Atlanta, then noise of LA turning down modest Cub proposals is probably the way to get that done.

Maybe you are on to something here. Sadly it won't matter now. Atlanta wouldn't offer Delgado now, IMO.

 

I'd rather wait until Tuesday afternoon before coming to that conclusion. There could be an agreement in place, something like we'll try to make this happen, but if you find something else between now and then, we understand.

 

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that type of thing is more common than we think. Take Peavy to the White Sox. He blocked it, then minutes before the deadline, it happened. Sounds a bit too convenient. My guess is that Peavy told them that he'd ultimately accept if nothing could be worked out with one of his preferred teams.

[Elrhino]

I hope the Cubs retain him on the 1 year arby just to watch Theo give the most acerbic, sarcastic FU press conference while steam comes out of Dempster's ears. "You know, it's not often a veteran is so loyal to a franchise that he's willing to give up the final productive years of his career to a rebuilding team, but that's what Ryan has done for us here." and "It's so rare that any team has an opportunity to get a sub 3.00 ERA, 200 innings pitcher for just a one year commitment, so obviously for us this opportunity was just too good to pass up." Maybe throw in a couple of jabs about how he was "blindsided" that no one was willing to give Dempster a longterm payday. Edited July 27, 2012 by Elrhino

[PrimeTime]

At this point are the Braves even going to want him if he last minute chooses to go? I can see them going " Oh , so now your going to settle for us when you don't really want to be here and the only reason is because the Dodgers don't want you? Go [expletive] yourself."

[Elrhino]

At this point are the Braves even going to want him if he last minute chooses to go? I can see them going " Oh , so now your going to settle for us when you don't really want to be here and the only reason is because the Dodgers don't want you? Go [expletive] yourself."

 

Braves are going to get Grienke or Shields. Dempster has already burned his bridges there, and he's at the very least already missed one start that he would have provided them when they were offering Delgado.

[sneakypower]

yeah, they'll probably be too insulted by his indecision to want him anymore, and knowingly just torpedo their season by throwing Jair Jurjjens and his 7+ ERA out there every five days

 

or give up 2-3x the return in prospects for another SP, i guess

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I'll be really surprised if anyone other than the Rangers ends up with Greinke.

[Elrhino]

yeah, they'll probably be too insulted by his indecision to want him anymore, and knowingly just torpedo their season by throwing Jair Jurjjens and his 7+ ERA out there every five days

 

or give up 2-3x the return in prospects for another SP, i guess

 

It's not like they were getting Dempster at some bargain basement steal that's too good to pass up. It's not going to take 2-3X Delgado to get Shields. And Dempster isn't that far above the Liriano tier, especially for 8 starts.

 

 

Dempster says he doesn't want to play for them. and won't waive his 10/5. They have nothing else to do than take him at his word and look elsewhere.

[Cubfanintheknow]

At this point are the Braves even going to want him if he last minute chooses to go? I can see them going " Oh , so now your going to settle for us when you don't really want to be here and the only reason is because the Dodgers don't want you? Go [expletive] yourself."

 

Not so sure about that. Their goal is to make the playoffs. If they talk to Dempster to see where his head is at (something they may have already have done), they may be willing to revisit it. They may have been left at the altar, but they still want to get married. If Dempster still wants to tie the knot, they'll do it.