Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

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David Kaplan ‏@thekapman

Just told that LAD believe Cubs will cave and they can get Demp for less than Atl offered. 2 scouts I spoke w/said Theo/Jed will NEVER cave.

 

well yeah, since everyone thinks atlanta was getting ripped off. the cubs DO have leverage in that they have a good pitcher and they don't have to trade him. if the dodgers make lowball offers, the cubs can opt to not trade him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

David Kaplan ‏@thekapman

Just told that LAD believe Cubs will cave and they can get Demp for less than Atl offered. 2 scouts I spoke w/said Theo/Jed will NEVER cave.

 

Even if the Dodgers believed that, which they very well might, I highly doubt that they'd come out and say it as such. They may as well just come to Epstein's office and dangle him out the window demanding Dempsters contract be transferred over to them, Suge Knight style.

 

The bottom line is that we didn't assemble a FO dream team to be bent over by Ned [expletive] Coletti.

[Theo]

Dempster really is the bad guy here. I have no problem with using your 10/5 but clearly indicate your wishes and priorities. He's royally fucked Theo here

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm most fascinated by how many guys the past few years have not wanted to leave the Cubs to go to a contender for two months. Lee. Ramirez. Wood. Dempster, sort of. It's frustrating. We could have gotten certain pieces for all these guys, but we just can't seem to get them to want to go.

 

I guess when you get older, the comfort of where you are perhaps really is more important than winning a possible championship. Either that, or living in Chicago and playing for the Cubs is simply too good to pass up. Yeah, it's probably that.

[The Post]

David Kaplan ‏@thekapman

Just told that LAD believe Cubs will cave and they can get Demp for less than Atl offered. 2 scouts I spoke w/said Theo/Jed will NEVER cave.

 

And they shouldn't. Dodgers are trying to call the Cubs bluff. If the Cubs are only going to be offered crap that won't help the team they are better off sending a message to the rest of the league's GMs by keeping Dempster if they don't get what they want. The rest of the league will know that if you throw crap at Theo, he would rather not do business with you. What I wrote probably doesn't make sense....but in my head it does! :stickman:

[Geech]

So the best the Cubs can get from the Dodgers is their AA reliever with the shredded shoulder, or some other equivalent of damaged goods?

 

This is impossible. Castro's Spray Chart assured me that we were going to get a package the equal of, if not better, than Delgado, and then he was going to come and laugh at us for doubting his genius insight.

 

Yeah, I didn't say that. I said you and your angsty ilk were all were prematurely ejaculating doom, and I stand by it.

 

I'm curious; what makes you say that? What aspect to the story at that time lead you to believe that the Atlanta deal, or another comparable deal, would still happen? Do you still believe that, and, if not, what changed your mind?

[Guest]

I'm most fascinated by how many guys the past few years have not wanted to leave the Cubs to go to a contender for two months. Lee. Ramirez. Wood. Dempster, sort of. It's frustrating. We could have gotten certain pieces for all these guys, but we just can't seem to get them to want to go.

 

I guess when you get older, the comfort of where you are perhaps really is more important than winning a possible championship. Either that, or living in Chicago and playing for the Cubs is simply too good to pass up. Yeah, it's probably that.

 

No frustration with Aramis not wanting to be traded. I doubt the prospects in an Aramis trade would top Pierce Johnson.

[gocubs2118]

I'm most fascinated by how many guys the past few years have not wanted to leave the Cubs to go to a contender for two months. Lee. Ramirez. Wood. Dempster, sort of. It's frustrating. We could have gotten certain pieces for all these guys, but we just can't seem to get them to want to go.

 

I guess when you get older, the comfort of where you are perhaps really is more important than winning a possible championship. Either that, or living in Chicago and playing for the Cubs is simply too good to pass up. Yeah, it's probably that.

 

No frustration with Aramis not wanting tone traded. I doubt the prospects in an Aramis trade would top Pierce Johnson.

 

Plus he didn't lead us on that he wanted to be traded. He made it clear from the beginning that he wanted to stay.

[dfnowak]

Do you think Dempster would accept a trade to the White Sox after they miss out on Grienke?

Who says they will miss out on Greinke? According to the Chicago media, they are one of the 4 favorites to land him...what they fail to mention is that there are probably only 4 teams looking to trade for him. Color me shocked if they get him with that garbage of a farm system.

[17 Seconds]

so much posturing still going on. i still think that ryan is holding out hope for LA but would ultimately accept the atlanta trade if it were between that and staying with the cubs. while he's holding out, the braves could also move on and get another pitcher, taking them out of the race (then dempster can try and save face by saying he never actually "rejected" the trade and was just thinking it over).

 

i don't buy the fact that wren lost interest because he was irked about dempster not wanting to play for them. if dempster changes his mind and the braves havent made anothe deal yet, i think the original delgado trade would go through.

 

it would really help if LA went out and got another starter, taking themselves out on dempster. "ok ryan, you can visit atlanta for 2 months or you can stay and we'll qualify you. also cubs fans won't laugh at your jokes anymore."

[davell]

If I'm Atlanta, I don't want Dempster at this point. He didn't want to be there, so my mindset as them, would simply be "screw him". They've got the assets to get someone else and I think that's what they'll do.

[17 Seconds]

If I'm Atlanta, I don't want Dempster at this point. He didn't want to be there, so my mindset as them, would simply be "screw him". They've got the assets to get someone else and I think that's what they'll do.

 

that seems extremely petty and is a poor way to run an organization. anyways, it's not like dempster came out and said "[expletive] atlanta, i'm not going there". i'm sure any sort of ill-will between them could be made up with a phone call and an explanation.

 

what about trades for players without NTCs or 10/5 rights? who cares if a guy wants to go there? players are property, and ryan dempster is trying to put himself in the best situation for his last big payday. he'll do his job. "alright we're ready to give you turner+ for anibal sanchez.... but first can you ask if he wants to play here?"

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[Sammy Sofa]

If I'm Atlanta, I don't want Dempster at this point. He didn't want to be there, so my mindset as them, would simply be "screw him". They've got the assets to get someone else and I think that's what they'll do.

 

If it comes down to an issue of what they need then what they want becomes irrelevant, especially if it's a guy who initially exercised his 10/5 rights.

[davell]

Screw it. It's a meatball situation for me. Both you guys are right, can't deny it.

[mookie]

Buckle up guys. It is going to be a tense couple of days.

[A New Era]

I agree with you that it's still POSSIBLE Atlanta would take Dempster. But given what has happened I think he's a last resort now. Which really just doesn't look good for our chances to get Delgado, IMO.

 

Heyman reports Dempster TOLD some Braves players that he was going to come there, and then changed his mind. Now, the Braves are upset, and view Dempster as a guy who doesn’t want to be there – and the Braves culture doesn’t really look kindly on guys who don’t want to be there. What a crapshow.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/07/26/its-thursday-do-you-know-where-your-ryan-dempster-is/

[C.C.]

Buckle up guys. It is going to be a tense couple of days.

 

If anything happens at all.

[TheDude]

I agree with you that it's still POSSIBLE Atlanta would take Dempster. But given what has happened I think he's a last resort now. Which really just doesn't look good for our chances to get Delgado, IMO.

 

Heyman reports Dempster TOLD some Braves players that he was going to come there, and then changed his mind. Now, the Braves are upset, and view Dempster as a guy who doesn’t want to be there – and the Braves culture doesn’t really look kindly on guys who don’t want to be there. What a crapshow.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/07/26/its-thursday-do-you-know-where-your-ryan-dempster-is/

This sounds like when I tell my mates I'll meet them at the bar and then the wife says "really?" and then I don't go.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Personally, I'm in the we'll end up with something good camp. On the surface, it would appear that Dempster's being, for lack of a better term, a bitch about this. However, there's a lot that we don't know. What we do know, is that there are two rent-a-pitchers on the market that would be difference makers: Dempster and Greinke. At this point, Dempster's value is equal or better than that of Greinke. Greinke may be younger and a bigger name, but Dempster's been the better pitcher this year. Also, Greinke's anxiety issues are something that teams could take into consideration. Even if the asking prices were the same, and every team out there were to prefer Greinke over Dempster, which I doubt, only one team can get him.

 

We don't know how many suitors Dempster has overall. We do know that the Dodgers are by far his top choice. We can also assume that in the twilight of his career he'll want to contend. That won't be happening with The Cubs. Like so many last minute deadline deals, Dempsters best value could come when Greinke is off the market. At that point, they could present him with the options, and let him chose. If the guy's the top option on the market, I can assure people that other teams will manage to get over that fact that they're not his 1st choice.

 

There's also the possibilities of Lee and JJ, but their asking prices will be incredibly high, and even the teams that have the prospects to acquire them might prefer not to.

[Elrhino]

At this point, Dempster's value is equal or better than that of Greinke.

 

And here's where I stopped reading.

[Tyrant]

Personally, I'm in the we'll end up with something good camp. On the surface, it would appear that Dempster's being, for lack of a better term, a bitch about this. However, there's a lot that we don't know. What we do know, is that there are two rent-a-pitchers on the market that would be difference makers: Dempster and Greinke. At this point, Dempster's value is equal or better than that of Greinke. Greinke may be younger and a bigger name, but Dempster's been the better pitcher this year. Also, Greinke's anxiety issues are something that teams could take into consideration. Even if the asking prices were the same, and every team out there were to prefer Greinke over Dempster, which I doubt, only one team can get him.

 

We don't know how many suitors Dempster has overall. We do know that the Dodgers are by far his top choice. We can also assume that in the twilight of his career he'll want to contend. That won't be happening with The Cubs. Like so many last minute deadline deals, Dempsters best value could come when Greinke is off the market. At that point, they could present him with the options, and let him chose. If the guy's the top option on the market, I can assure people that other teams will manage to get over that fact that they're not his 1st choice.

 

There's also the possibilities of Lee and JJ, but their asking prices will be incredibly high, and even the teams that have the prospects to acquire them might prefer not to.

 

Just get a Tumblr already.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Personally, I'm in the we'll end up with something good camp. On the surface, it would appear that Dempster's being, for lack of a better term, a bitch about this. However, there's a lot that we don't know. What we do know, is that there are two rent-a-pitchers on the market that would be difference makers: Dempster and Greinke. At this point, Dempster's value is equal or better than that of Greinke. Greinke may be younger and a bigger name, but Dempster's been the better pitcher this year. Also, Greinke's anxiety issues are something that teams could take into consideration. Even if the asking prices were the same, and every team out there were to prefer Greinke over Dempster, which I doubt, only one team can get him.

 

We don't know how many suitors Dempster has overall. We do know that the Dodgers are by far his top choice. We can also assume that in the twilight of his career he'll want to contend. That won't be happening with The Cubs. Like so many last minute deadline deals, Dempsters best value could come when Greinke is off the market. At that point, they could present him with the options, and let him chose. If the guy's the top option on the market, I can assure people that other teams will manage to get over that fact that they're not his 1st choice.

 

There's also the possibilities of Lee and JJ, but their asking prices will be incredibly high, and even the teams that have the prospects to acquire them might prefer not to.

The hell.

[javy knows my name]

So the best the Cubs can get from the Dodgers is their AA reliever with the shredded shoulder, or some other equivalent of damaged goods?

 

This is impossible. Castro's Spray Chart assured me that we were going to get a package the equal of, if not better, than Delgado, and then he was going to come and laugh at us for doubting his genius insight.

 

Yeah, I didn't say that. I said you and your angsty ilk were all were prematurely ejaculating doom, and I stand by it.

 

I'm curious; what makes you say that? What aspect to the story at that time lead you to believe that the Atlanta deal, or another comparable deal, would still happen? Do you still believe that, and, if not, what changed your mind?

 

A couple things. First, not sure if you were around when the deal first stalled, but the hand-wringing in response to a Dempster tweet like "what trade? I wasn't told about any trade" was tremendous and insufferable. Then later, a post that went almost unacknowledged brought up the 24 hour window, so I kind of figured there was a trade and he wanted a day to think about it before accepting. Then, in an admirable act of professionalism, Wren came out and laid all the blame on Dempster and informed us that he was moving on. He didn't have to and shouldn't have done the former, and the latter was necessary lip service, IMO.

 

I believe 1) that the deal is still on the table, despite what Wren says and 2) that the threat of a qualifying offer will pressure Demp to accept the Atlanta trade IF Hoystein don't get their price from LA.

[Old Style]

A friend in San Fran just texted me and said he heard on radio out there that Dempster is going to the Dodgers for their "top pitching prospect".

[Guest]

Doesn't look like there's anything to that, twitter would be abuzz if that were the case.

 

@carriemuskat: #Cubs Ryan Dempster is on field, prepping for a side session. Guess he hasn't been traded yet.