Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[UMFan83]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

 

The thing that he may very well have done wrong is lie to his bosses about his intentions.

 

I dont understand Dempster's motivation for doing that though? I'm not saying he couldn't have lied, I'm just not sure why he would do that.

[gocubs2118]

``In his case, from my understanding - and I'm only getting it second hand from the Cubs - they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he'd like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren't really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn't know this was coming down.''

That doesn't paint a pretty picture for Dempster and places the blame for this debacle squarely on his shoulders. Without really knowing the details there isn't anything that Wren said that doesn't sound plausible. We don't know exactly what Dempster and Theo had agreed to however other than what Wren said which is second hand. Either way, Dempster nixed a trade that would have benefited the Cubs long term and for that he deserves to hear some crap from the fans (and FO). Death threats though? I highly doubt it and that sounds a lot like a player deflecting some of the immediate crap he thinks is coming his way.

I think Eric Gordon Sr. is his PR Guy.

 

Man, you need some new material.

I think it fits this situation pretty well, he screwed up and is now inventing some death threats.

Have you looked at his twitter timeline? There is some pretty harsh stuff in there.

[Guest]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

 

The thing that he may very well have done wrong is lie to his bosses about his intentions.

 

I dont understand Dempster's motivation for doing that though? I'm not saying he couldn't have lied, I'm just not sure why he would do that.

 

Do you believe Theo blindly worked out a trade with Atlanta without first discussing it with a player who has 5/10 rights?

[Guest]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

 

Contract or control?

Fair enough, he's under control. They can still trade him this offseason, next trade deadline or even extend and keep him. The amount of concern over Garza possibly not being traded seems misplaced.

[davell]

Again, Jersey's got it right on Garza. Sure, we may get offers, but probably not what we'd see if he pitches on Monday and pitches well. It's a legit concern when trading away multiple solid prospects for a guy that may miss more time. We'll see how his throwing session goes on Friday, I guess that'll tell whether he pitches Monday or not.

[Guest]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

He's well within his rights to nix the trade (which he has yet to). He's well within his rights to lie and mislead his employers too, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve flack for it.

[davell]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

I honestly wonder in terms of prospects, would the half year extra actually mean?

[jersey cubs fan]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

 

The thing that he may very well have done wrong is lie to his bosses about his intentions.

 

I dont understand Dempster's motivation for doing that though? I'm not saying he couldn't have lied, I'm just not sure why he would do that.

 

Wanting to look like the good guy while hoping everything would work out in the end and he'd be in LA.

[23sharks]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

 

Contract or control?

Fair enough, he's under control. They can still trade him this offseason, next trade deadline or even extend and keep him. The amount of concern over Garza possibly not being traded seems misplaced.

 

Very true. Dempster should be the focus. If you can get a great return for Garza right now, then great. If not, no big deal.

[mookie]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

I honestly wonder in terms of prospects, would the half year extra actually mean?

 

To a contender it means more. Some strange pulse inside me still thinks the Royals could be where Garza ends up.

[23sharks]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

 

The thing that he may very well have done wrong is lie to his bosses about his intentions.

 

I dont understand Dempster's motivation for doing that though? I'm not saying he couldn't have lied, I'm just not sure why he would do that.

 

Wanting to look like the good guy while hoping everything would work out in the end and he'd be in LA.

 

This is exactly what it's looking like.

[Elrhino]

It's all just blind speculation, but I think Dempster was originally cool with Atlanta when he gave the okay to Theo several weeks ago to, but fell more in love with the idea of going to LA over time. The whole "blindsided" by twitter stuff is unequivical BS, though. Dempster has always seemed to be really concerned about his image to the fans and media about a "good guy". He probably saw first hand the grief Aramis got last year from idiots like Kaplan. He couldn't even bring himself to outright veto the Atlanta trade, he had to be passive aggressive about it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

 

Contract or control?

Fair enough, he's under control. They can still trade him this offseason, next trade deadline or even extend and keep him. The amount of concern over Garza possibly not being traded seems misplaced.

 

I think the concern is they end this trading deadline with no new longterm assets brought into the team when the only thing we've been able to look forward to in this god awful season has been the seemingly inevitable acquisition of top prospects. Garza was always the guy who could get them the most while Dempster was the guy who had to go. Just when it looked like they could get more than expected for Dempster, clearing the way for a bigger market for Garza, it all went to hell. It's not just about Garza not being traded, but rather nobody of value being acquired - potentially.

[mookie]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

 

Contract or control?

Fair enough, he's under control. They can still trade him this offseason, next trade deadline or even extend and keep him. The amount of concern over Garza possibly not being traded seems misplaced.

 

I think the concern is they end this trading deadline with no new longterm assets brought into the team when the only thing we've been able to look forward to in this god awful season has been the seemingly inevitable acquisition of top prospects. Garza was always the guy who could get them the most while Dempster was the guy who had to go. Just when it looked like they could get more than expected for Dempster, clearing the way for a bigger market for Garza, it all went to hell. It's just just about Garza not being traded, but rather nobody of value being acquired - potentially.

 

Exactly. Mission seemingly in failure mode. Not really a good thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

And for the record, I don't really have great expectations for Garza over the next 5-6 years, so I'm not really in love with the idea of keeping him longterm anyway. He's not the guy he was last year, and he's not going to be young during his next contract.

[Guest]

The real big news here is that Dempster is ruining his shot a becoming the color guy when the Cubs release Brenly's son.

[Clem Fandango]

Not trading Garza by the deadline is not the end of the world, he's under contract for 2013.

 

Contract or control?

Fair enough, he's under control. They can still trade him this offseason, next trade deadline or even extend and keep him. The amount of concern over Garza possibly not being traded seems misplaced.

 

I think the concern is they end this trading deadline with no new longterm assets brought into the team when the only thing we've been able to look forward to in this god awful season has been the seemingly inevitable acquisition of top prospects. Garza was always the guy who could get them the most while Dempster was the guy who had to go. Just when it looked like they could get more than expected for Dempster, clearing the way for a bigger market for Garza, it all went to hell. It's just just about Garza not being traded, but rather nobody of value being acquired - potentially.

 

I think this is a perfectly justifiable concern, I'm just of the opinion that it's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, is all.

[pccubfan]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

 

The thing that he may very well have done wrong is lie to his bosses about his intentions.

 

This isn't true unless you want to call the FO liars too. There have been reports that they themselves thought that this could be an issue. If Dempster had flat out said he agreed to the trade the FO would have been surprised with this string of events.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think this is a perfectly justifiable concern, I'm just of the opinion that it's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, is all.

 

The Cubs going through this season without acquiring a top prospect in a trade is a really terrible outcome in a season of nothing but terrible outcomes.

[Guest]

I think this is a perfectly justifiable concern, I'm just of the opinion that it's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, is all.

 

The Cubs going through this season without acquiring a top prospect in a trade is a really terrible outcome in a season of nothing but terrible outcomes.

 

Yep, in a lost season, the best you can hope for is a good draft slot and getting good value on players who do not figure into future plans.

[pccubfan]

If he doesn't change his mind and get dealt by the deadline, I'd sit him the rest of the year.

 

Why? Dempster was within his rights to torpedo the trade. He exercised those rights. How can you support punishing some one that has done nothing wrong?

He's well within his rights to nix the trade (which he has yet to). He's well within his rights to lie and mislead his employers too, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve flack for it.

 

Is sitting him the rest of the year flack or punishment? Seriously, I'm ticked off that Dempster hasn't agreed to the trade, but when employees are given rights you have to expect them to exercise them from time to time. And you shouldn't expect that the employee is punished when they do so.

[Guest]

And for the record, I don't really have great expectations for Garza over the next 5-6 years, so I'm not really in love with the idea of keeping him longterm anyway. He's not the guy he was last year, and he's not going to be young during his next contract.

 

Exactly how I feel.

[Guest]

And for the record, I don't really have great expectations for Garza over the next 5-6 years, so I'm not really in love with the idea of keeping him longterm anyway. He's not the guy he was last year, and he's not going to be young during his next contract.

 

Exactly how I feel.

Me too. I wanted them to trade him this off-season. I don't think he's going to reproduce a year like that again.

[MWV]

And for the record, I don't really have great expectations for Garza over the next 5-6 years, so I'm not really in love with the idea of keeping him longterm anyway. He's not the guy he was last year, and he's not going to be young during his next contract.

 

The Cubs going through this season without acquiring a top prospect in a trade is a really terrible outcome in a season of nothing but terrible outcomes.

 

Pretty much.

[Banedon]

@PWSullivan

 

Demp admits he was unhappy about being taken out, still respects Sveum.