Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[UMFan83]

AP Top 25 is out....highlights:

 

1. Indiana (64)

2. Gonzaga (1)

3. Duke

4. Michigan

5. Miami (FL)

9. MSU

16. OSU

17. Wisconsin

31. Illinois

 

No other B1G teams got votes, which is understandable because Minnesota blows.

[Exile on Waveland]

IU has a lot of ball handlers though. Yogi, Hulls, Oladipo....

 

Oladipo can do about anything, but ball handling isnt a strength from what i've seen.

Great win tonight for SLU. Beating Butler will be the road win they lacked to be a top 15-20 team. Basically a defensive team without any real stars.

 

You're talking to a guy who just referenced Zeller and Watford when challenged on ball handling.

 

I'll assume you're just trolling, otherwise your tour de force of wrongness continues.

 

Watford and Zeller can both be useful pieces in a press-breaker offense. It's a pretty common tactic to use big men as secondary ball-handlers to break a press, because they often have better matchups than the guards (who will be handling against guards specifically recruited to play this style of defense). IU has, in fact, used Watford in this secondary role, with solid success. Zeller, while obviously no one's idea of a primary ball-handler, can be an "escape route" (and he did play guard for awhile in high school). Playing against forty minutes of press, there will be more than a few possessions when the press-breaker offense collapses. In such cases, Zeller offers an escape route that typical fives do not--compare to say, Derrick Nix, where all would be lost if he's caught with the ball and the ten second count running out. This may only happen a couple times a game, but a couple of saved turnovers may be outcome-dispositive.

 

The places to attack IU in a press are Jordan Hulls and Remy Abell. Hulls has an overwhelming tendency to pick the ball up/lose his dribble when pressured, creating trapping situations, and he's too short to see over trappers, resulting in turnovers/timeouts. VCU took great advantage of this last year, and Hulls had five turnovers in that game (a fortunately low number, in fact, from IU's perspective from the way the game played out). I think this also served to wear him down overall, as he shot only 2-7 from the field. Abell is a decent-ish ball-handler, but puts his head down while dribbling, has poor court vision, and thus is susceptible to traps and/or charges (two turnovers in only sixteen minutes against VCU).

[Formerly Snayke]

Hulls has an overwhelming tendency to pick the ball up/lose his dribble when pressured, creating trapping situations, and he's too short to see over trappers, resulting in turnovers/timeouts.

 

That's not going to get him a lot of minutes in the NBA.

[Exile on Waveland]

Hulls has an overwhelming tendency to pick the ball up/lose his dribble when pressured, creating trapping situations, and he's too short to see over trappers, resulting in turnovers/timeouts.

 

That's not going to get him a lot of minutes in the NBA.

 

When are you building a strawhouse for all your strawmen to live in?

[Formerly Snayke]

Jerry Palm has New Mexico, Georgetown and Arizona as three of his four No. 2 seeds. Maybe I'm wrong, but this doesn't seem correct.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hulls has an overwhelming tendency to pick the ball up/lose his dribble when pressured, creating trapping situations, and he's too short to see over trappers, resulting in turnovers/timeouts.

 

That's not going to get him a lot of minutes in the NBA.

 

It's not so much his ball-handling as much as his NBA size that his him rocketing up draft boards.

[SouthSideRyan]

IU has a lot of ball handlers though. Yogi, Hulls, Oladipo....

 

Oladipo can do about anything, but ball handling isnt a strength from what i've seen.

Great win tonight for SLU. Beating Butler will be the road win they lacked to be a top 15-20 team. Basically a defensive team without any real stars.

 

You're talking to a guy who just referenced Zeller and Watford when challenged on ball handling.

 

I'll assume you're just trolling, otherwise your tour de force of wrongness continues.

 

Watford and Zeller can both be useful pieces in a press-breaker offense. It's a pretty common tactic to use big men as secondary ball-handlers to break a press, because they often have better matchups than the guards (who will be handling against guards specifically recruited to play this style of defense). IU has, in fact, used Watford in this secondary role, with solid success. Zeller, while obviously no one's idea of a primary ball-handler, can be an "escape route" (and he did play guard for awhile in high school). Playing against forty minutes of press, there will be more than a few possessions when the press-breaker offense collapses. In such cases, Zeller offers an escape route that typical fives do not--compare to say, Derrick Nix, where all would be lost if he's caught with the ball and the ten second count running out. This may only happen a couple times a game, but a couple of saved turnovers may be outcome-dispositive.

 

The places to attack IU in a press are Jordan Hulls and Remy Abell. Hulls has an overwhelming tendency to pick the ball up/lose his dribble when pressured, creating trapping situations, and he's too short to see over trappers, resulting in turnovers/timeouts. VCU took great advantage of this last year, and Hulls had five turnovers in that game (a fortunately low number, in fact, from IU's perspective from the way the game played out). I think this also served to wear him down overall, as he shot only 2-7 from the field. Abell is a decent-ish ball-handler, but puts his head down while dribbling, has poor court vision, and thus is susceptible to traps and/or charges (two turnovers in only sixteen minutes against VCU).

 

When someone says IU may have some problems because their ball-handling isn't great and you fire back with whatevs, Big Cody Z has that [expletive] covered...yeah, I'm not letting that die.

[Exile on Waveland]

When someone says IU may have some problems because their ball-handling isn't great and you fire back with whatevs, Big Cody Z has that [expletive] covered...yeah, I'm not letting that die.

 

What Raw said--and Raw and I don't exactly see eye to eye--was, I quote, "even Watford and Zeller can handle if necessary." I think that stops far short of reading that Zeller can play point guard against a press.

[SouthSideRyan]

The royal you, the editorial...

[Exile on Waveland]

The royal you, the editorial...

 

Yes, I caught that.

[SouthSideRyan]

I mean, this is getting fairly tedious but pitchcs says his problem with Indiana comes down to PG play. Raw responds with:

 

 

IU has a lot of ball handlers though. Yogi, Hulls, Oladipo....even Watford and Zeller can handle if necessary.

[CubInOK]

Jerry Palm has New Mexico, Georgetown and Arizona as three of his four No. 2 seeds. Maybe I'm wrong, but this doesn't seem correct.

NM is defensible. The others though...

[Formerly Snayke]

Jerry Palm has New Mexico, Georgetown and Arizona as three of his four No. 2 seeds. Maybe I'm wrong, but this doesn't seem correct.

NM is defensible. The others though...

 

Not trying to be GatorSnayke or anything, but Florida as a 3-seed compared to that trio? No fracking way.

[abuck1220]

jerry palm is a dumber, more arrogant, less relevant keith law.

[Andy]

Palm is a bit of a loon. Don't his brackets usually perform badly compared to most when we keep track of them?

 

He's also been overseeding the crap out of ND. He had them as a 5 last week before dropping them to 6 now.

[Smack]

I'm going to Syracuse / Marquette tonight. It's Pomeroy's FanMatch game of the day and I've never seen either team play in person. Kind of odd that I lived in Milwaukee for almost six years before going to a Marquette game.

[abuck1220]

cagey bill self gets t'ed up 2 minutes in...

[abuck1220]

of course ku's worthless PG combo is dialed in.

[SpongeWorthy]

I keep catching Mclemore at the wrong times because he's completely unassertive every time I watch KU.

[Formerly Snayke]

I've caught very little of the game tonight, but that move he made at the rim (can't remember when; I think he missed a layup) was pretty fantastic. I curse Mike Anderson's name every time he plays.

 

Bill Self is fat.

[rawaction]

I mean, this is getting fairly tedious but pitchcs says his problem with Indiana comes down to PG play. Raw responds with:

 

 

IU has a lot of ball handlers though. Yogi, Hulls, Oladipo....even Watford and Zeller can handle if necessary.

 

Or in context.....He was talking about PG play specifically related to handling the press. Hence my comment. Obviously, I don't think any of those guys are the PG. You guys are arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

If he was talking about PG play in general, yeah IU might be outmanned a couple times in the tourney. But they've already played Keith Appling, Trey Burke and Aaron Kraft and have gone 4-0.

[abuck1220]

I keep catching Mclemore at the wrong times because he's completely unassertive every time I watch KU.

 

he's been very passive lately.

 

would have guessed isu by 10 if you had told me they'd have 40 pts at half...

[abuck1220]

lol no call until mclemore filed a formal complaint. [expletive] hate college bball officiating.

[abuck1220]

[expletive] scrub releford can't miss.

[snoodmonger]

[expletive] scrub releford can't miss.

Whatever Corey luscious is playing like he isn't horrible. Releford has one of the highest fg% in the conf.