Sean Marshall traded: T Wood +prospects Sappelt &Torreys p21

[sneakypower]

JordanBernfield

On Torreyes: Theo says he's hit everywhere he's been. Above average runner, "plays a very good 2nd base."

[Guest]

Remember when the Bears had jerseys that said TANK JOHNSON and TODD JOHNSON

 

lol

[Hairyducked Idiot]

More reasons I severely love this trade, Travis Wood division:

 

GABP HR park factor, 2011: 1.31

Wrigley Field HR park factor, 2011: 0.99

 

Travis Wood career HR's/9

 

1.23 home

0.67 road

 

Obviously we're getting into small sample sizes here by splitting his 208 MLB innings up, but anecdotally it makes sense that he's a FB pitcher who had a lot of trouble in the an extremely HR-friendly park.

[RammyFanny]

I'm loving all these feel good numbers, Kyle. Keep em' comin.

[Guest]

It's been said by others, but I'm really really excited about the potential return on a Garza trade.

 

I wonder if we can snag anything for Marmol, too.

[toonsterwu]

JordanBernfield

On Torreyes: Theo says he's hit everywhere he's been. Above average runner, "plays a very good 2nd base."

 

That would seem to rule out the one curiosity thing I had in my mind, and that was whether or not they would ponder giving Torreyes a look at shortstop, where he's dabbled at. I'm guessing Torreyes goes to Daytona. Gonna be curious what ends up happening with the MI situation there. Shortstop options aren't exciting right now - looks like someone from Soccorro/Soto/Alcantara/Valdes/Zapenas group perhaps. 2nd base has some intriguing possibilities with DeVoss/Silva/LePage, but the former two can move to the OF a bit (and Silva may be better as an OF), and LePage isn't a guy that is going to block anyone. Slow play DeVoss (keep him in Peoria?) Have DeVoss/Silva in the OF (CF/LF?).

[toonsterwu]

It's been said by others, but I'm really really excited about the potential return on a Garza trade.

 

I wonder if we can snag anything for Marmol, too.

 

problem on the Garza trade is what teams are involved? There's a couple decent pitchers left on the market, and I wonder if some of the AL East teams decide to take a few of those guys, which could lessen demand. I'm not sure Garza brings as much as Gio/Latos unless we get competition.

 

As for Marmol, I almost feel like it might be better for us to keep Marmol to start the year, hope he rebounds a bit, and then move him ASAP.

[Guest]

It's been said by others, but I'm really really excited about the potential return on a Garza trade.

 

I wonder if we can snag anything for Marmol, too.

 

problem on the Garza trade is what teams are involved? There's a couple decent pitchers left on the market, and I wonder if some of the AL East teams decide to take a few of those guys, which could lessen demand. I'm not sure Garza brings as much as Gio/Latos unless we get competition.

 

As for Marmol, I almost feel like it might be better for us to keep Marmol to start the year, hope he rebounds a bit, and then move him ASAP.

 

I'd love a potential Yankees package.

[Guest]

Gonna go ahead and post all of the tweets on the conference call about the trade

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "We're really excited to acquire Travis Wood today. Left handed starters don't grow on trees." #Cubs

27 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "I believe it fits what we're trying to do in the bigger picture. Age is one thing, but years of control is another factor."

27 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "I do believe this is a move that fits our general direction." #Cubs

25 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo admits this move makes the #Cubs bullpen weaker by losing Marshall, but the future is brighter with Wood.

25 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo says Wood has 3 or 4 above average pitches, "ingredients you need to be a successful starting pitcher." #Cubs

23 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo says they've had conversations about free agents and trades, says they're not done yet but nothing is extraordinarily close. #Cubs

20 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

On Torreyes: Theo says he's hit everywhere he's been. Above average runner, "plays a very good 2nd base."

19 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

On Torreyes: "When you're young for your level, and you've hit everywhere you've ever been, that's a good sign." #Cubs

19 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "Matt Garza is the type of pitcher you want to build around...hard to find top of the rotation type guys."

18 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "we're in a mode where we have to listen on everybody." says taking a look at short term assets and how they can make them LT assets

18 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

Theo: "there's always a market for elite starting pitching, especially when they're under control." #Cubs

17 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

T Wood: "The league made some adjustments...my control was a little off, something wasn't working...something I've been working on..." #cubs

15 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

TWood: "I think it's a great opportunity for me...Reds have a lot of depth in their rotation." #Cubs

15 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

TWood says he's working on his fastball control. Something he's really focused on. #Cubs

14 minutes ago

 

JordanBernfield Jordan Bernfield

TWood: "I love Wrigley Field." Will he when the wind is blowing out in July? #cubs

14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

[toonsterwu]

So would I. In a two team deal, I still prefer a Yankees move, unless a team like the Blue Jays decide to give us 4 guys of our choosing. Otherwise, I'd take the gamble on Montero adjusting to first due to his elite bat and demand either Betances or Banuelos.

[RammyFanny]

It's been said by others, but I'm really really excited about the potential return on a Garza trade.

 

I wonder if we can snag anything for Marmol, too.

 

problem on the Garza trade is what teams are involved? There's a couple decent pitchers left on the market, and I wonder if some of the AL East teams decide to take a few of those guys, which could lessen demand. I'm not sure Garza brings as much as Gio/Latos unless we get competition.

 

As for Marmol, I almost feel like it might be better for us to keep Marmol to start the year, hope he rebounds a bit, and then move him ASAP.

Marlins, Yankees, Red Sox, Royals, Blue Jays, Padres have all been linked to Garza at some point. There's still plenty of options, the key is to find someone that would overpay or drive up a bidding war. A few weeks ago the PSD insider said the Yankees offered a really good package at the deadline last year and he doubts there interest has fallen off that much. Maybe we could pick up half the tab for Garza if we trade him to KC or SD and get better prospects.

[reds44]

For those comparing Sappelt to Fuld or Campana, just no. He's not a very good fielder and he's a downright bad baserunner. He can hit though, especially after he retooled his swing. The fact that he can't really play CF means he probably has a 4th OF ceiling.

[Guest]

PWSullivan Paul Sullivan

Theo cites new CBA in Marshall deal- that he could walk after 2012 for no draft compensation. The move "fits our general direction."

13 minutes ago

[JGalt73]

From Keith Law's take:http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/7384097/mlb-cincinnati-reds-acquire-sean-marshall-chicago-cubs-win-now-move

 

...The Cubs made out very well, giving up a good reliever who is a year from free agency, and getting back a big league starter and two mid-level prospects who will have major league value...Wood leads the trio coming back to the Cubs as a solid back-end starter with a chance to be more if he alters his pitch selection. Wood has four pitches, but his worst offering is his four-seamer, which he uses more than all other pitches combined...Managed properly, with more emphasis on the off-speed pitches, he could be a league-average starter, and has five years of control left, two of them at the minimum salary.

 

Sappelt looks like a very good extra outfielder...He makes a lot of contact, however, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit .300 but without the OBP or power to make him a regular.

 

Torreyes is a tiny second baseman ... he has two above-average tools, hitting and running, with good bat speed and a simple swing for high contact rates. He could end up an average regular at second, but is probably three full years away from the majors.

 

Wood alone justifies this deal for the Cubs, but the chance that Torreyes becomes an everyday guy turns it into a potentially big win.

[Tracer Bullet]

Yeah, those are definitely not roster fill.

 

This is officially a traderape. Nice job, Jed.

 

It'd be great if this word didn't become a thing.

[Jake]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity. Look at all of the teams looking for a good one.

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, those are definitely not roster fill.

 

This is officially a censored. Nice job, Jed.

 

It'd be great if this word didn't become a thing.

 

Outing alert.

 

MR is this guy:

 

 

http://www.tvchannelsfree.com/tcfcrawler/thumbs/000/141/141646.jpg

 

[Little Slide Rooter]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity. Look at all of the teams looking for a good one.

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

 

Hey, if anyone's familiar with their team trading any and all remotely valuable players for prospects that don't pan out :lol:

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity.

 

How about good left-handed starters?

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

 

That ranking came before Torreyes showed elite contact skills in regular season A ball as an 18-year-old. He would have been much higher in the coming lists.

[toonsterwu]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity. Look at all of the teams looking for a good one.

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

 

I'm not enthused about the prospects (although to be fair, Torreyes 22nd ranking was pre-2011 season ... he was going to be much higher this year). All that said, this deal is a win in that, Marshall was only signed for 2012. The organization decided to go the full rebuild mode, which is their right and arguably the right direction. Marshall's value out of the pen just wasn't going to be that important in the whole scheme of things if the organization is essentially tossing 2012. This way, we get some value for him, and we can still bid on him next year.

 

All in all, no on is saying this trade is putting us over the top, but it's a win for the organization.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

From Keith Law's take:http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/7384097/mlb-cincinnati-reds-acquire-sean-marshall-chicago-cubs-win-now-move

 

snip

 

I hate agreeing almost word for word with Keith Law.

 

I look at the age. I look at the peripherals. I look at the FIP. I look at the possible home HR problems in GABP.

 

I wonder if we didn't just steal a No. 3 pitcher out of this deal.

[Jake]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity. Look at all of the teams looking for a good one.

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

 

Hey, if anyone's familiar with their team trading any and all remotely valuable players for prospects that don't pan out :lol:

 

Ain't it the truth. And this, my friend, looks like a Pirate trade.

[Jake]

It's fun to read yinz guys reaction to this trade n'at.

 

Good left handed relievers are not a dime a dozen, but a sought after commodity.

 

How about good left-handed starters?

 

Marshall is listed as a reliever in the MLBTR article. Are you suggesting he's a starter? Or are you referring to Travis Wood? Either way, he's a back end of the rotation starter. Not a commodity to be taken lightly, but still, a 3 at best.

 

From MLBTR: "Baseball America ranked Sappelt and Torreyes as the Reds'20th and 22nd best prospects in last year's Prospect Handbook, respectively."

 

You got a back end starter and two fringe prospects. A good trade, perhaps, but nothing that's going to put any team over the top.

 

That ranking came before Torreyes showed elite contact skills in regular season A ball as an 18-year-old. He would have been much higher in the coming lists.

No one is really projecting him to be a star. The guy weighs 14o lbs. how many 140 lb major leaguers are there ? Yeah, he's young and will fill out. Maybe he'll rank higher this year, but even so, would he crack anyone's (including ours!) top ten list?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No one is really projecting him to be a star. The guy weighs 14o lbs. how many 140 lb major leaguers are there ? Yeah, he's young and will fill out. Maybe he'll rank higher this year, but even so, would he crack anyone's (including ours!) top ten list?

 

He'll make some Cubs Top 10 lists.

 

Quick name all the prospects you can who struck out in less than 7% of their PAs in an 18 y/o season at full-season A ball.

[illiniguy]

We gave up a reliever and got back a possible 3 and two prospects. Yeah we won this trade. Maybe the Pirates should have done more of this and less giving away Arams and Jason Bays for nothing.