Tigers sign Prince - 9/214 - Heyman

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Mariners, on the other hand strike me as a team that could put in an all in we suck and have nothing to lose monster bid.

 

If this happens, then the Cubs need to get really serious about prying Justin Smoak away from Seattle.

 

Easier said than done. We don't exactly have much in the form of moveable assets and The Mariners aren't going to just say since we have Fielder please take Smoak off our hands for Blake DeWitt and Casey Coleman. As far as attainable targets go, Barton might actually be the best bet in terms of affordability.

[Rob]

The Mariners, on the other hand strike me as a team that could put in an all in we suck and have nothing to lose monster bid.

 

If this happens, then the Cubs need to get really serious about prying Justin Smoak away from Seattle.

 

Easier said than done. We don't exactly have much in the form of moveable assets and The Mariners aren't going to just say since we have Fielder please take Smoak off our hands for Blake DeWitt and Casey Coleman. As far as attainable targets go, Barton might actually be the best bet in terms of affordability.

 

Three days ago you called Barton "a very poor man's Carlos Pena" and questioned whether he would really be a better option than LaHair.

 

But hey that was three days ago, right?

[ctcf]

Phil Rogers @ChiTribRogers

My friend @jerrycrasnick says #cubs abt to make play for Prince Fielder. As likely, I make my play for Scarlett Johannsen.

[bukie]

Hey, creepy, douchey, and ignorant. The trifecta from Phil Rogers, ladies and gentlemen!

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Mariners, on the other hand strike me as a team that could put in an all in we suck and have nothing to lose monster bid.

 

If this happens, then the Cubs need to get really serious about prying Justin Smoak away from Seattle.

 

Easier said than done. We don't exactly have much in the form of moveable assets and The Mariners aren't going to just say since we have Fielder please take Smoak off our hands for Blake DeWitt and Casey Coleman. As far as attainable targets go, Barton might actually be the best bet in terms of affordability.

 

Three days ago you called Barton "a very poor man's Carlos Pena" and questioned whether he would really be a better option than LaHair.

 

But hey that was three days ago, right?

 

Or maybe it just goes to show how thin the market is beyond Fielder. Do I really need to list the other options again? Barton is essentially the 1st base equivalent of Ian Stewart and there's at least the glimmer of hope that he can be a star, and if we could get him for a package similar to what we got Stewart for, if Fielder isn't an option may as well go with him rather than overpaying for something else and watch and see what become available in the mean time.

[questionmarkgrace]

interesting could be epstein's redirect to keep other teams guessing or that Cafardo's ties to our gm and pres are revealing how the cubs brass really feels. My gut tells me that the cubs simply asked for Fielder's medical records yielding crasnick's interpretation leaked via Boras. But who knows.

 

 

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the Cubs are "not major players" for Prince Fielder.

ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reported on Thursday afternoon that the Cubs were "increasing the intensity of their pursuit" for the 27-year-old first baseman. But Cafardo is now hearing something completely different.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/346989/cubs-not-major-players-for-prince-fielder

Edited December 16, 2011 by questionmarkgrace

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So Fielder is about to be a Boras client who is also the last major piece available in a market where a lot of teams seem to have money available?

 

The odds of getting him on a reasonable contract are virtually nil.

[Guest]

So Fielder is about to be a Boras client who is also the last major piece available in a market where a lot of teams seem to have money available?

 

The odds of getting him on a reasonable contract are virtually nil.

If they don't make serious run at him they are punting 2012.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So Fielder is about to be a Boras client who is also the last major piece available in a market where a lot of teams seem to have money available?

 

The odds of getting him on a reasonable contract are virtually nil.

If they don't make serious run at him they are punting 2012.

 

So if the Mariners or Blue Jays offer 9/225, what do you do? Punt or sign a stupid contract?

[XZero771679666304]

So Fielder is about to be a Boras client who is also the last major piece available in a market where a lot of teams seem to have money available?

 

The odds of getting him on a reasonable contract are virtually nil.

If they don't make serious run at him they are punting 2012.

 

So if the Mariners or Blue Jays offer 9/225, what do you do? Punt or sign a stupid contract?

 

At those terms you have to let it go. Having said that, I think you could put together a 5-6 year contract with a higher AAV and vesting options he'd likely take if he wants to come here.

[Magnetic Curses]

all i know is i'm not getting any younger so we better plan on bringing in better players than daric motherfucking barton and ian stewart.

 

we're looking legendarily bad for 2012, maybe the worst cubs team since '94 if no moves of any kind are being made other than letting our best hitter walk and bringing in a guy that OPS'd under .500 last season.

[Magnetic Curses]

but hey, maybe we'll be ready to compete when vogelbach and baez are ready for the majors in 5 years.

[Guest]

but hey, maybe we'll be ready to compete when vogelbach and baez are ready for the majors in 5 years.

Nah, they won't be that good as rookies. Gotta let them get a few years experience first.

[Cubs Evangelist]

As much as I love Theo, I do not want him to be our biggest acquisition of the off-season, I have a gut feeling our lineup is going to look something similar to:

 

DeJesus

Barney

Castro

Soto

LaHair

Byrd

Soriano

Stewart

Pitcher

 

Cant' wait to win 55 games next year!

[Cubswin11]

As much as I love Theo, I do not want him to be our biggest acquisition of the off-season, I have a gut feeling our lineup is going to look something similar to:

 

DeJesus

Barney

Castro

Soto

LaHair

Byrd

Soriano

Stewart

Pitcher

 

Cant' wait to win 55 games next year!

Is there some super prospect that is going to be in the draft next year like a Mauer, Strasburg Harper, etc. that Theo has his eyes one? As of right now I think a lineup like that is quite likely, except with maybe someone like Loney or Scott at 1B. Either way the results aren't going to be pretty.

[davearm2]

So Fielder is about to be a Boras client who is also the last major piece available in a market where a lot of teams seem to have money available?

 

The odds of getting him on a reasonable contract are virtually nil.

If they don't make serious run at him they are punting 2012.

 

So if the Mariners or Blue Jays offer 9/225, what do you do? Punt or sign a stupid contract?

 

At those terms you have to let it go. Having said that, I think you could put together a 5-6 year contract with a higher AAV and vesting options he'd likely take if he wants to come here.

9/225 is $25M per year. What AAV did you have in mind to top that?

[mul21]

While I don't have any better idea about what's going to happen than anybody else, I do find it amusing to see everyone totally freaking out that nothing has happened yet in spite of Theo's history of appearing out of nowhere with his desired player signed to a contract. Nobody saw Dice-K or Crawford coming to Boston in the least and he got both of those guys. He seems to be a master of misinformation, and while that sucks for us because we're totally in the dark, I'd much rather have it that way than everything out in the open like it was with Hendry. Plus, could he be handling the Z or Soriano situations any better than he has thus far?

[davearm2]

The Mariners, on the other hand strike me as a team that could put in an all in we suck and have nothing to lose monster bid.

 

If this happens, then the Cubs need to get really serious about prying Justin Smoak away from Seattle.

 

Easier said than done. We don't exactly have much in the form of moveable assets and The Mariners aren't going to just say since we have Fielder please take Smoak off our hands for Blake DeWitt and Casey Coleman. As far as attainable targets go, Barton might actually be the best bet in terms of affordability.

 

Three days ago you called Barton "a very poor man's Carlos Pena" and questioned whether he would really be a better option than LaHair.

 

But hey that was three days ago, right?

 

Or maybe it just goes to show how thin the market is beyond Fielder. Do I really need to list the other options again? Barton is essentially the 1st base equivalent of Ian Stewart and there's at least the glimmer of hope that he can be a star, and if we could get him for a package similar to what we got Stewart for, if Fielder isn't an option may as well go with him rather than overpaying for something else and watch and see what become available in the mean time.

I think Rob is wondering what has happened this week to change your perspective. The market hasn't gotten any thinner.

[Cubs Evangelist]

While I don't have any better idea about what's going to happen than anybody else, I do find it amusing to see everyone totally freaking out that nothing has happened yet in spite of Theo's history of appearing out of nowhere with his desired player signed to a contract. Nobody saw Dice-K or Crawford coming to Boston in the least and he got both of those guys. He seems to be a master of misinformation, and while that sucks for us because we're totally in the dark, I'd much rather have it that way than everything out in the open like it was with Hendry. Plus, could he be handling the Z or Soriano situations any better than he has thus far?

 

It's a great point, I may be way off on this, but I have a hunch he is working to get Garza moved for a 1B (perhaps Rangers, Moreland) and or even Yankees and take on Tex so Yanks can get Fielder?? Hopefully something similar is in works so we don't have the next 5 years of less than .500 ball.

[davearm2]

While I don't have any better idea about what's going to happen than anybody else, I do find it amusing to see everyone totally freaking out that nothing has happened yet in spite of Theo's history of appearing out of nowhere with his desired player signed to a contract. Nobody saw Dice-K or Crawford coming to Boston in the least and he got both of those guys. He seems to be a master of misinformation, and while that sucks for us because we're totally in the dark, I'd much rather have it that way than everything out in the open like it was with Hendry. Plus, could he be handling the Z or Soriano situations any better than he has thus far?

 

It's a great point, I may be way off on this, but I have a hunch he is working to get Garza moved for a 1B (perhaps Rangers, Moreland) and or even Yankees and take on Tex so Yanks can get Fielder?? Hopefully something similar is in works so we don't have the next 5 years of less than .500 ball.

It is a great point. Cub fans had better get used to being in the dark on this stuff. Until further notice, media reports are totally unreliable.

[SouthSideRyan]

Matt Garza for Mitch Moreland would be the worst trade in baseball history.

[Magnetic Curses]

Matt Garza for Mitch Moreland would be the worst trade in baseball history.

 

haha, right? what kind of [expletive] glue-sniffer would make that stupid ass trade? maybe we should trade garza for a pudding factory.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Or maybe it just goes to show how thin the market is beyond Fielder. Do I really need to list the other options again? Barton is essentially the 1st base equivalent of Ian Stewart and there's at least the glimmer of hope that he can be a star, and if we could get him for a package similar to what we got Stewart for, if Fielder isn't an option may as well go with him rather than overpaying for something else and watch and see what become available in the mean time.

I think Rob is wondering what has happened this week to change your perspective. The market hasn't gotten any thinner.

 

Not a change in perspective. Barton is Epsteins type of guy. He takes a lot of walks and could be a high reward guy at the right price. With Smoak, he's younger but will be a lot more expensive. If we don't get Fielder, unless Theo and Hoyer come out of nowhere with some kind of splash, its more than likely a lost year, maybe even a few of them so the plan should be the original good, young players thing whether we're stocking up on existing prospects or seeing what we can do with guys like Stewart and Barton before they end up in Japan. Additionally, when posters whose opinions I have a lot of respect for are high on a player, it gets my interest. Looking at Barton's existing big league track record he strikes me as a poor mans Pena, but that doesn't mean there's no hope for him. Even if he can become a middle class mans Carlos Pena, it's not like we have anything to lose other than Brian LaHair and James Loney.

[mookie]

You guys are nuts. We are going to win at least 81 games next season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You guys are nuts. We are going to win at least 81 games next season.

 

Fielder + one not-terrible pitcher + good health. That's all we need to be decent.