Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't mind "Player's Managers" to a point-- but Dusty was a Player's Manager and never held anyone accountable for poor play. That's taking it to far. It's fine if you want someone the boys in the clubhouse can like, but you also need someone they aren't going to walk all over, either.

The whole "accountability" thing is much less important than the fact that Dusty liked bad decisions, poor players and overall stupidity. A lack of accountability is not why Dusty's teams failed.

 

And you're absolutely right. Dusty was a terrible manager in just about every aspect. I'm just saying that you need a guy who can hold people accountable, because if a manager doesn't hold players accountable, eventually the players won't hold themselves accountable and then everyone will cease to give a crap. We saw it under Dusty, we saw it at the end with Lou.

 

No, you were seeing bad/flawed players being bad/flawed and managers making bad/stupid decisions. Yelling at guys or benching them or whatever you think "accountability" wasn't going to save or fix things. Obviously, discipline has its place when necessary, but "lack of accountability" is down on the list of things Dusty and Lou were handling poorly.

[Prizefight]

Theo's just all class. Contacting Ryne and the Phillies to let him know he's not in contention. Love everything about this.

[CubsInNC]

 

Or anyone from the Red Sox front off-....ohhhhh, riiiiiiight.

 

It's interesting how the "beer in the clubhouse" issue only became a thing with this collapse, but when they were the "drunken idiots" winning WS it was cool.

 

It's not just the beer. It's the "players manager" style. There's less accountability in general assumed in that. Francona was/is considered a players manager. Not to mention that the anecdotal lax approach to conditioning taken by some of the Red Sox players this year was one of the many scapegoat excuses. Ultimately, the GM places that on the manager, whether right or wrong. I'm not taking a position for or against that idea, frankly, with a well assembled team, I'm pretty sure that most managerial candidates won't cost or gain many wins.

 

Right. What I'm saying is that those kind of antics have been the scuttlebutt about the Red Sox for at least the entire time Francona was running the team, and they were even hyped up after they won the '04 WS. I can buy someone saying a lack of conditioning meant their pitching went flat at the end of the season, but that general climate/attitude/whatever was pervasive the entire time he was there and it didn't seem to be too much of a detriment.

 

If this was Hendry, wouldn't we call this obvious reactionary BS, designed to imitate this years WS winner?

[PrimeTime]

So I'm assuming this is the wife who got plowed by numerous players?

 

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[Fast Freddie Bynum]

You think Starlin is going to miss being called Cassy?

[Hawk4Hall]

The Cards can take Sandberg for all I care and most of the rest of you, but imagine the reaction from all the ignorant, homer Cubs fans. Ugh,that's gonna be annoying if it happens.

 

 

I'd actually get a pretty good laugh out of it, moreso if Theo/Hoyer hires Martinez.

 

Yeah. It would basically be the equivalent of Theo taking the #23 flag down from the flagpole, wiping his butt with it, and running it back up there.

 

Thanks for playing Ryno, but instead of a lifetime of sac bunts, we're going to hire the guy who banged your wife, but isn't a high school manager. Peace.

I thought it was Palmeiro that did Ryno's wife.

 

 

Rumors were that it wasn't just Palmeiro. Evidently she really liked Latin lovers.

Manny Trillo and Angel Salazar too? 8-)

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Or anyone from the Red Sox front off-....ohhhhh, riiiiiiight.

 

It's interesting how the "beer in the clubhouse" issue only became a thing with this collapse, but when they were the "drunken idiots" winning WS it was cool.

 

It's not just the beer. It's the "players manager" style. There's less accountability in general assumed in that. Francona was/is considered a players manager. Not to mention that the anecdotal lax approach to conditioning taken by some of the Red Sox players this year was one of the many scapegoat excuses. Ultimately, the GM places that on the manager, whether right or wrong. I'm not taking a position for or against that idea, frankly, with a well assembled team, I'm pretty sure that most managerial candidates won't cost or gain many wins.

 

Right. What I'm saying is that those kind of antics have been the scuttlebutt about the Red Sox for at least the entire time Francona was running the team, and they were even hyped up after they won the '04 WS. I can buy someone saying a lack of conditioning meant their pitching went flat at the end of the season, but that general climate/attitude/whatever was pervasive the entire time he was there and it didn't seem to be too much of a detriment.

 

If this was Hendry, wouldn't we call this obvious reactionary BS, designed to imitate this years WS winner?

 

I don't get it. If what was Hendry?

[erik316wttn]

The guys on ESPN 1000 are reporting that the Cards have been given permission to interview Sandberg to replace LaRussa. I know most everyone here does not want him to manage the Cubs, as do I, but I would hate to see him in that uniform.

 

I wouldn't mind at all. If they want to give Sandberg an interview over Tito, go for it.

 

Sandberg could be wearing uniform of the Hitlerburg Kidtouchers for all I care so long as he's not managing the Cubs.

 

You don't even want to know what their sign for "bunt" is.

[CubsInNC]

 

Or anyone from the Red Sox front off-....ohhhhh, riiiiiiight.

 

It's interesting how the "beer in the clubhouse" issue only became a thing with this collapse, but when they were the "drunken idiots" winning WS it was cool.

 

It's not just the beer. It's the "players manager" style. There's less accountability in general assumed in that. Francona was/is considered a players manager. Not to mention that the anecdotal lax approach to conditioning taken by some of the Red Sox players this year was one of the many scapegoat excuses. Ultimately, the GM places that on the manager, whether right or wrong. I'm not taking a position for or against that idea, frankly, with a well assembled team, I'm pretty sure that most managerial candidates won't cost or gain many wins.

 

Right. What I'm saying is that those kind of antics have been the scuttlebutt about the Red Sox for at least the entire time Francona was running the team, and they were even hyped up after they won the '04 WS. I can buy someone saying a lack of conditioning meant their pitching went flat at the end of the season, but that general climate/attitude/whatever was pervasive the entire time he was there and it didn't seem to be too much of a detriment.

 

If this was Hendry, wouldn't we call this obvious reactionary BS, designed to imitate this years WS winner?

 

I don't get it. If what was Hendry?

 

Theo in the press release about the next manager placing "an emphasis on preparation and accountability". just nitpicking it. But is has a feel of Hendry's reactionary mode in the offseason.

[Banedon]

Theo's just all class. Contacting Ryne and the Phillies to let him know he's not in contention. Love everything about this.

 

Eh? Where did I miss that info?

[Guest]

I think that's more of a nod to doing the analysis up front on both scouting input as well as statistical trends to be able to put the team in the best possible position (and positioning) to win.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Or anyone from the Red Sox front off-....ohhhhh, riiiiiiight.

 

It's interesting how the "beer in the clubhouse" issue only became a thing with this collapse, but when they were the "drunken idiots" winning WS it was cool.

 

It's not just the beer. It's the "players manager" style. There's less accountability in general assumed in that. Francona was/is considered a players manager. Not to mention that the anecdotal lax approach to conditioning taken by some of the Red Sox players this year was one of the many scapegoat excuses. Ultimately, the GM places that on the manager, whether right or wrong. I'm not taking a position for or against that idea, frankly, with a well assembled team, I'm pretty sure that most managerial candidates won't cost or gain many wins.

 

Right. What I'm saying is that those kind of antics have been the scuttlebutt about the Red Sox for at least the entire time Francona was running the team, and they were even hyped up after they won the '04 WS. I can buy someone saying a lack of conditioning meant their pitching went flat at the end of the season, but that general climate/attitude/whatever was pervasive the entire time he was there and it didn't seem to be too much of a detriment.

 

If this was Hendry, wouldn't we call this obvious reactionary BS, designed to imitate this years WS winner?

 

I just call it damned if you do/damned if you don't. It's like Quade and his nicknames; if the team is good that's the kind of crap meatballs gobble up. If the team sucks or falls apart, all of a sudden it becomes the type of thing the meatballs zero in on to hate.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Sammy Sofa]

The guys on ESPN 1000 are reporting that the Cards have been given permission to interview Sandberg to replace LaRussa. I know most everyone here does not want him to manage the Cubs, as do I, but I would hate to see him in that uniform.

 

I wouldn't mind at all. If they want to give Sandberg an interview over Tito, go for it.

 

Sandberg could be wearing uniform of the Hitlerburg Kidtouchers for all I care so long as he's not managing the Cubs.

 

You don't even want to know what their sign for "bunt" is.

 

Nicely done.

[AI]

Per Jon Heyman's twitter account...

 

Both theo and ben c like sveum. Mike maddux could also be candidate in bos and chi. Brother greg has been big cub

[Guest]

Per Jon Heyman's twitter account...

 

Both theo and ben c like sveum. Mike maddux could also be candidate in bos and chi. Brother greg has been big cub

Heyman is really on top of things with the flash about Greg having been a Cub.

[Sammy Sofa]

Or he may not have been. He needs to confirm.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Go get Dave Martinez if Ryno is out. And is it at all possible to lure Girardi away with a year left on his deal? If not, Bobby V, Francona and Bowa come to mind.

[AI]

Per Jon Heyman's twitter account...

 

Both theo and ben c like sveum. Mike maddux could also be candidate in bos and chi. Brother greg has been big cub

Heyman is really on top of things with the flash about Greg having been a Cub.

Ha. I thought the same thing when I saw that. Been watching/listening to Maddux since I moved to TX and he has done a tremendous job since coming to the Rangers.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theo in the press release about the next manager placing "an emphasis on preparation and accountability". just nitpicking it. But is has a feel of Hendry's reactionary mode in the offseason.

 

I think some of that is just paying lip service to the things fans and media demand, while also referring to a guy who will come into a game prepared with the pertinent information/data.

[rocket]

what's so attractive about dave martinez? is it only the fact that's been the bench coach under joe maddon for the past few seasons?

[jersey cubs fan]

what's so attractive about dave martinez? is it only the fact that's been the bench coach under joe maddon for the past few seasons?

 

plus the rugged handsomeness

[Rob]

what's so attractive about dave martinez? is it only the fact that's been the bench coach under joe maddon for the past few seasons?

 

Isn't that reason enough?

[CubsInNC]

Theo in the press release about the next manager placing "an emphasis on preparation and accountability". just nitpicking it. But is has a feel of Hendry's reactionary mode in the offseason.

 

I think some of that is just paying lip service to the things fans and media demand, while also referring to a guy who will come into a game prepared with the pertinent information/data.

 

 

I could see that being possible, and I'm hoping it is. Still too scarred from the past administration to give the new one the benefit of the doubt. Time heals all wounds. :)

[bukie]

Maybe Brenly can become the manager, so Marmol can throw 100 pitches in a 2 day span.

[Vinestal]

what's so attractive about dave martinez? is it only the fact that's been the bench coach under joe maddon for the past few seasons?

Largely because Id love to have Maddon but if I can't have the master I'll take the pupil. Plus Dave is a former Cub (not that that matters much).