Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[PrimeTime]

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[TruffleShuffle]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

[OleMissCub]

I'm really hoping that Lou and A-Rod are as tight as the media makes them out to be...damnit it'd be nice to see him in Cubbie blue!

[manbearcub]

So apparently Cashner was throwing 100 MPH today...Boston better not be asking about him!

 

at least one person in this thread has said that getting epstein could be more important than signing fielder or pujols, and everyone seems to agree that a good GM is really important, much more so than a manager. so why is it unreasonable for the red sox to ask for cashner when the marlins just gave up two of their top 5 prospects (coming into 2011, though their stock had slipped) for a lousy manager, and tampa gave up randy winn coming off a 5 win season to get piniella?

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

Edited October 12, 2011 by manbearcub

[mookie]

DROOL

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, you think the guy in the $4000 suit is going to be wasting his time with such paltry matters? COME ON.

[Magnetic Curses]

Should runners slide into first base on close plays?

 

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[manbearcub]

By the way, I'd like to be the first to say I am sorry for doubting purpletshirt guy and hope he sticks around.

[Omar]

AZGM

 

Dude.

 

Your username is literally centimeters from your post.

[mookie]

FAD

 

FNDomination

[TruffleShuffle]

So apparently Cashner was throwing 100 MPH today...Boston better not be asking about him!

 

at least one person in this thread has said that getting epstein could be more important than signing fielder or pujols, and everyone seems to agree that a good GM is really important, much more so than a manager. so why is it unreasonable for the red sox to ask for cashner when the marlins just gave up two of their top 5 prospects (coming into 2011, though their stock had slipped) for a lousy manager, and tampa gave up randy winn coming off a 5 win season to get piniella?

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

 

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

[manbearcub]

So apparently Cashner was throwing 100 MPH today...Boston better not be asking about him!

 

at least one person in this thread has said that getting epstein could be more important than signing fielder or pujols, and everyone seems to agree that a good GM is really important, much more so than a manager. so why is it unreasonable for the red sox to ask for cashner when the marlins just gave up two of their top 5 prospects (coming into 2011, though their stock had slipped) for a lousy manager, and tampa gave up randy winn coming off a 5 win season to get piniella?

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

 

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

Niether the Sox nor the Mariners got anything of value.

[SouthSideRyan]

Truffle's worried something good is about to happen to the Cubs, so he's creating fantasy scenarios where we lose one of our best young players

[Rob]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

 

Beane did when he was originally planning on jumping ship to the Red Sox. He and DePo had decided on Youkilis as the compensation.

[RammyFanny]

Another source:

BOSTON - Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein is likely to join the Chicago Cubs within the next 48 hours, a person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press on Tuesday night.

 

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made.

 

 

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2011/10/11/20111011mlb-theo-epstein-chicago-cubs.html#ixzz1aXmxhljs

[mookie]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

 

Beane did when he was originally planning on jumping ship to the Red Sox. He and DePo had decided on Youkilis as the compensation.

 

Hanley and Shoppach were being considered as well.

[TruffleShuffle]

So apparently Cashner was throwing 100 MPH today...Boston better not be asking about him!

 

at least one person in this thread has said that getting epstein could be more important than signing fielder or pujols, and everyone seems to agree that a good GM is really important, much more so than a manager. so why is it unreasonable for the red sox to ask for cashner when the marlins just gave up two of their top 5 prospects (coming into 2011, though their stock had slipped) for a lousy manager, and tampa gave up randy winn coming off a 5 win season to get piniella?

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

 

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

Niether the Sox nor the Mariners got anything of value.

 

the fact that randy winn was worth almost 4 wins a season during his two years in a mariners' uniform would seem to contradict your assertion here.

[Epsteenie]

I don't want to go to sleep and miss anything.

[TruffleShuffle]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

 

Beane did when he was originally planning on jumping ship to the Red Sox. He and DePo had decided on Youkilis as the compensation.

 

Hanley and Shoppach were being considered as well.

 

really??? that seems completely insane to me. but i am sure that red sox front office people and a's front office people would have been involved. azgm made it sound like epstein would be working the deal out himself.

[manbearcub]

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

 

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

Niether the Sox nor the Mariners got anything of value.

 

the fact that randy winn was worth almost 4 wins a season during his two years in a mariners' uniform would seem to contradict your assertion here.

Let me rephrase what I meant. The Rays and Marlins did not give up anything of value. That would be like the cubs giving up Marlon Byrd, he has no future here and we would like you to take his salary.

[TruffleShuffle]

Truffle's worried something good is about to happen to the Cubs, so he's creating fantasy scenarios where we lose one of our best young players

 

no, i'm trying to be realistic about it. who do you think they'll be giving up?

[Rob]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

 

Beane did when he was originally planning on jumping ship to the Red Sox. He and DePo had decided on Youkilis as the compensation.

 

Hanley and Shoppach were being considered as well.

 

really??? that seems completely insane to me. but i am sure that red sox front office people and a's front office people would have been involved. azgm made it sound like epstein would be working the deal out himself.

 

I imagine it would be Epstein and Cherrington making a quick negotiation of it, then Cherrington sending it up the ladder for approval.

[PrimeTime]

I hope they announce it early tomorrow since I'm off work, so I can go on a happy drunk rampage all day.

[toonsterwu]

Why not offer them Z?

 

And Soriano... and Casey Coleman, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.

 

I think it's just going to be money.

 

I think it's going to be 2nd tier talent. Probably better than what the Marlins gave up for Ozzie, but not someone that should superbly trouble the fanbase. At best, perhaps could see a Flaherty get sent that way. I'll be surprised if it's a better talent than that, unless it's one of our low level kids. Just a guess.

[TruffleShuffle]

Because if Epstein really wants to come here then Boston has no leverage to ask for anything of value.

 

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

Niether the Sox nor the Mariners got anything of value.

 

the fact that randy winn was worth almost 4 wins a season during his two years in a mariners' uniform would seem to contradict your assertion here.

Let me rephrase what I meant. The Rays and Marlins did not give up anything of value. That would be like the cubs giving up Marlon Byrd, he has no future here and we would like you to take his salary.

 

well randy winn was paid about $10m over the three seasons that he was contracted to seattle, hardly a crippling contract for any organization, even the rays. he produced at a four win pace during the 2.5 seasons there, so he was worth way, way more than he was paid. at the time of the deal he was 28 years old and under team control for at least three more years. marlon byrd is 6 years older, has only one year left on his contract, will be paid twice what winn's average salary was, and isn't likely to be as productive. this is a terrible analogy.