Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[manbearcub]

as opposed to piniella and guillen being forced at gunpoint to leave for new organizations.

Niether the Sox nor the Mariners got anything of value.

 

the fact that randy winn was worth almost 4 wins a season during his two years in a mariners' uniform would seem to contradict your assertion here.

Let me rephrase what I meant. The Rays and Marlins did not give up anything of value. That would be like the cubs giving up Marlon Byrd, he has no future here and we would like you to take his salary.

 

well randy winn was paid about $10m over the three seasons that he was contracted to seattle, hardly a crippling contract for any organization, even the rays. he produced at a four win pace during the 2.5 seasons there, so he was worth way, way more than he was paid. at the time of the deal he was 28 years old and under team control for at least three more years. marlon byrd is 6 years older, has only one year left on his contract, will be paid twice what winn's average salary was, and isn't likely to be as productive. this is a terrible analogy.

Winn signed a contract for $3.3 mil in 2003 after leaving the Rays. The Rays payroll that year was 19.6 million. Now, I have no way of knowing for sure, but I doubt that they planned to pay him that much.

[manbearcub]

Cmon, theo.

[Rob]

Why not offer them Z?

 

And Soriano... and Casey Coleman, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.

 

I think it's just going to be money.

 

I think it's going to be 2nd tier talent. Probably better than what the Marlins gave up for Ozzie, but not someone that should superbly trouble the fanbase. At best, perhaps could see a Flaherty get sent that way. I'll be surprised if it's a better talent than that, unless it's one of our low level kids. Just a guess.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see us go as high as Brett Jackson or even Andrew Cashner. And I can't say I'd turn either of those down.

[Epsteenie]

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[17 Seconds]

Why not offer them Z?

 

And Soriano... and Casey Coleman, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.

 

I think it's just going to be money.

 

I think it's going to be 2nd tier talent. Probably better than what the Marlins gave up for Ozzie, but not someone that should superbly trouble the fanbase. At best, perhaps could see a Flaherty get sent that way. I'll be surprised if it's a better talent than that, unless it's one of our low level kids. Just a guess.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see us go as high as Brett Jackson or even Andrew Cashner. And I can't say I'd turn either of those down.

 

Yea the idea of giving up somebody like Cashner or Jackson for any non-player acquisition seems ridiculous on the surface, but in this case I would give up one of them for Epstein. I think the difference between Theo Epstein and somebody like Rich han is worth giving up one of those guys.

 

I mean, would anybody here actually turn down Theo Epstein if all they had to do was trade one of those guys? You have to do it, right?

[mookie]

I hope it isn't Brett Jackson. That one would be pretty annoying.

[17 Seconds]

Yea I can't see that happening, but I wouldn't find it unacceptable.

[Epsteenie]

Also, please not Zeke DeVoss.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why not offer them Z?

 

And Soriano... and Casey Coleman, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.

 

I think it's just going to be money.

 

I think it's going to be 2nd tier talent. Probably better than what the Marlins gave up for Ozzie, but not someone that should superbly trouble the fanbase. At best, perhaps could see a Flaherty get sent that way. I'll be surprised if it's a better talent than that, unless it's one of our low level kids. Just a guess.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see us go as high as Brett Jackson or even Andrew Cashner. And I can't say I'd turn either of those down.

 

i wouldn't be too thrilled about jackson, because he'd be an everyday player under team control for several years, and while he's unlikely to be an all-star, there's a good chance that he's at least a solid regular. i like cashner's arm, but let's be realistic about him - he's 25 and has had arm trouble, and he's likely to be a relief pitcher. even if he turns into daniel bard or whatever, you're getting one of the best GMs in the game and a guy who will shape the organization's future for the next several years. that's really not an unreasonable trade-off.

[Rob]

Why not offer them Z?

 

And Soriano... and Casey Coleman, Rodrigo Lopez, etc.

 

I think it's just going to be money.

 

I think it's going to be 2nd tier talent. Probably better than what the Marlins gave up for Ozzie, but not someone that should superbly trouble the fanbase. At best, perhaps could see a Flaherty get sent that way. I'll be surprised if it's a better talent than that, unless it's one of our low level kids. Just a guess.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see us go as high as Brett Jackson or even Andrew Cashner. And I can't say I'd turn either of those down.

 

i wouldn't be too thrilled about jackson, because he'd be an everyday player under team control for several years, and while he's unlikely to be an all-star, there's a good chance that he's at least a solid regular. i like cashner's arm, but let's be realistic about him - he's 25 and has had arm trouble, and he's likely to be a relief pitcher. even if he turns into daniel bard or whatever, you're getting one of the best GMs in the game and a guy who will shape the organization's future for the next several years. that's really not an unreasonable trade-off.

 

Exactly.

 

The simple fact of it is that while guys like Jackson and Cashner are useful, a solid regular and a good setup guy aren't franchise cornerstones. A good GM (like Epstein) should be able to negate the losses of guys like that pretty easily over the course of his term here.

[PrimeTime]

It's on Chicagocubs.com now, they have it as not the compensation part, but Theo is still contemplating on coming here

 

Epstein could make his decision as early as Wednesday, but it could be longer.

 

Boston Herald columnist Steve Buckley reported earlier on Tuesday night that Epstein is "on the cusp" of leaving the Red Sox to accept a position with the Cubs that holds powers greater than what he has in Boston.

 

Epstein has one year left on his contract, which means the Red Sox would be well within their rights to seek compensation from the Cubs should he accept the position.

 

A baseball source told MLB.com that compensation will be discussed by the two sides only if Epstein decides for sure he wants to go to Chicago.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111011&content_id=25609938&vkey=news_chc&c_id=chc

[ArizonaGM]

Who is deciding if the compensation is too much or who they give up? Is it Theo himself making that decision as his first trade of his Cubs career for himself? Very odd position to be in to potentially cut your own wrists in order for the new team to get you. I'm feeling more and more like this is a done deal. Theo is a competitor and competitor's need new challenges and this just seems like it has all the aspects of a perfect fit. *Crossing Fingers*

 

AZGM

 

you really think that the cubs and red sox would have theo epstein making the decision about compensation for himself? come on.

 

Beane did when he was originally planning on jumping ship to the Red Sox. He and DePo had decided on Youkilis as the compensation.

 

Hanley and Shoppach were being considered as well.

 

really??? that seems completely insane to me. but i am sure that red sox front office people and a's front office people would have been involved. azgm made it sound like epstein would be working the deal out himself.

 

If Theo is the end all when it comes down to baseball decisions and the compensation is going to affect him going forward why wouldn't he be involved in the decision? I was just pointing out how odd it is if that's how it's going down.

[Clem Fandango]

Trade Brett Jackson? And be "okay" with it?

 

[expletive].

[17 Seconds]

Trade Brett Jackson? And be "okay" with it?

 

[expletive].

 

You wouldn't do it?

[Clem Fandango]

Trade Brett Jackson? And be "okay" with it?

 

[expletive].

 

You wouldn't do it?

 

No. Brett Jackson has the skillset that embodies everything Theo Epstein would (ideally) try and build our farm system around, and he's pretty much MLB ready. Why trade him in this situation?

[17 Seconds]

Trade Brett Jackson? And be "okay" with it?

 

[expletive].

 

You wouldn't do it?

 

No. Brett Jackson has the skillset that embodies everything Theo Epstein would (ideally) try and build our farm system around, and he's pretty much MLB ready. Why trade him in this situation?

 

i'm saying if you HAD to trade him in order to get epstein.

 

if it was the difference between getting theo, you wouldn't do it?

[Clem Fandango]

Trade Brett Jackson? And be "okay" with it?

 

[expletive].

 

You wouldn't do it?

 

No. Brett Jackson has the skillset that embodies everything Theo Epstein would (ideally) try and build our farm system around, and he's pretty much MLB ready. Why trade him in this situation?

 

i'm saying if you HAD to trade him in order to get epstein.

 

if it was the difference between getting theo, you wouldn't do it?

 

No, because there are secondary options who are comparable in philosophy, and we wouldn't have to trade someone who might end up being one of our most valuable assets of the last decade. As far as I'm concerned Castro, Jackson, and Cashner should be 100% off limits. Others should be used with caution, but if anyone besides them went in the deal I'd ultimately be fine with it.

 

Castro can't go for obvious reasons

Cashner's upside (and cheap talent) is too great to give up on so early

Jackson for reasons stated above

 

Personally, I'm more excited about what Jackson can do than Castro.

 

Seriously... if Starlin Castro had the line in MLB that Jackson put up in AAA last season, we'd nut ourselves. If Castro at his peak = Jackon's AAA numbers we'd be thrilled... and Jackson (nor Castro) are even fully developed.

 

Sure, Jackson might end up as a .265 hitter with 15 homers, 20 stolen bases, and 130K's each year, but he's got the plate discipline to keep his OBP above .350 and he plays above average defense. And when you're getting him for pennies on the dollar playing a generally weak offensive position that's pretty damn valuable

[17 Seconds]

I just don't see how you can think that Brett Jackson would be more valuable to the Cubs going forward than Theo Epstein would be. I don't even think it's close.

 

And who are these other GM candidate that are similar to Theo Epstein? Rick Hahn? We know very little about this guy. And even the things we do know about him are not based on him actually being in charge.

 

Anybody after Theo would be an unknown. With Theo Epstein, we'd KNOW we have somebody in charge that knows what he's doing.

 

I love Brett Jackson, but the idea that's he's a more valuable asset to the Cubs going forward seems absolutely crazy to me.

 

How long have we been wanting somebody in charge of the Cubs who actually knows what he's doing? Like, our entire lives?

[OleMissCub]

Hard to believe what I'm reading here. A player who might top out in his career at a Grady Sizemore level is more important than us being led by one of the most successful baseball minds out there?

 

It would be painful to part with Jackson, but if it meant getting Theo, only a fool would say no to that.

[Clem Fandango]

I just don't see how you can think that Brett Jackson would be more valuable to the Cubs going forward than Theo Epstein would be. I don't even think it's close.

 

And who are these other GM candidate that are similar to Theo Epstein? Rick Hahn? We know very little about this guy. And even the things we do know about him are not based on him actually being in charge.

 

Anybody after Theo would be an unknown. With Theo Epstein, we'd KNOW we have somebody in charge that knows what he's doing.

 

I love Brett Jackson, but the idea that's he's a more valuable asset to the Cubs going forward seems absolutely crazy to me.

 

How long have we been wanting somebody in charge of the Cubs who actually knows what he's doing? Like, our entire lives?

 

If Theo stays, would Cherington not become a target? Billy Beane? Andrew Friedman? Hahn?

 

While Epstein is arguably the best at what he does, what he does is not a mystery strategy that no one else has implemented.

 

Don't get me wrong, I want Epstein running this team more than just about anything... but do you think if Epstein were in charge of this team right now he'd be shopping around Brett Jackson?

[17 Seconds]

I just don't see how you can think that Brett Jackson would be more valuable to the Cubs going forward than Theo Epstein would be. I don't even think it's close.

 

And who are these other GM candidate that are similar to Theo Epstein? Rick Hahn? We know very little about this guy. And even the things we do know about him are not based on him actually being in charge.

 

Anybody after Theo would be an unknown. With Theo Epstein, we'd KNOW we have somebody in charge that knows what he's doing.

 

I love Brett Jackson, but the idea that's he's a more valuable asset to the Cubs going forward seems absolutely crazy to me.

 

How long have we been wanting somebody in charge of the Cubs who actually knows what he's doing? Like, our entire lives?

 

If Theo stays, would Cherington not become a target? Billy Beane? Andrew Friedman? Hahn?

 

While Epstein is arguably the best at what he does, what he does is not a mystery strategy that no one else has implemented.

 

Don't get me wrong, I want Epstein running this team more than just about anything... but do you think if Epstein were in charge of this team right now he'd be shopping around Brett Jackson?

 

lol if Epstein was in charge we wouldn't be looking for a GM, sooooooo

 

Anyways, all the reports have all been saying that Friedman, Beane, and Cherington (if Epstein stays) won't be on the move.

 

It's likely Theo or hahn at this point, and you're willing to settle for Hahn over Theo because of Brett Jackson?

 

Theo Epstein has the ability to turn this organization around. Jackson does noty.

[Clem Fandango]

Would you trade Castro for him?

[17 Seconds]

No, but Brett Jackson's value at this point is not even in the same realm as Castro's, so that's irrelevent.

 

I can't believe we're talking about Brett Jackson and Andrew Cashner over Theo Epstein. I know our system generally sucks and guys like Brett Jackson seem like Bryce Harper to us sometimes, but we're talking about a guy who would completely change the ideology and thought process of this organization.

 

Honestly, Brett Jackson won't mean [expletive] if we end up hiring a GM who ends up being not-so-good. This organization has needed a mentality overhaul for years, or decades. Theo Epstein offers that immediately, and no other candidate is even close to that safe of a bet.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Tweet from Heyman this morning says compensation may only be cash. Still may be another hurdle but deal still has a decent shot.

[Guest]

Tweet from Heyman this morning says compensation may only be cash. Still may be another hurdle but deal still has a decent shot.

 

 

That's from last night.