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Gary Hughes Not Returning Next Year

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Magnetic Curses

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this was a guy we hated years ago and then kind of forgot about. i can't really believe he still worked for the cubs.

 

 

yep and yep

 

hopefully, we made overtures to beane or epstein and they immediately said get hughes out of there and burn his office or we won't talk to you ever again.

 

through an independent agent of communication, of course.

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Wow I remember reading this when it came out. I'm literally amazed at how differently I'm reading this in 2011.

 

I'm reading this and wondering what he said that was so ridiculous. The DIPS/tobacco joke was a little ignorant, and he does sound a little old at times. Then there's a couple things heading in that direction like the communication thing (though at one point that was a legit knock with DePodesta in LA and JP in Toronto) and the plate discipline as a tool thing (though it'd be a very, very vague tool and it's already somewhat incorporated by a good scout in the hit tool), but overall I thought he made sense. Was it really as dumb or off as McCracken talking about the ability to hit for average as a non-physical tool because Wade Bogg wasn't a great athlete? Or how about equating bailing on a good breaking pitch with fear?

 

W/e I'm glad those days are gone (and were short lived) and that teams realized that both sides can operate symbiotically. As Huckabay said, the double that a scout sees becomes one of the numbers in a stat line.

 

As far as Hughes...probably best that he's gone given that he might be viewed as an extreme. Plus, he's older and we already have Wilken and Fleita locked up.

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I'm reading this and wondering what he said that was so ridiculous.

 

He didn't understand why high school prospects are more of an unknown when you draft them.

 

He suggested that statistical analysis means "I want this guy because he has 120 RBIs"

 

He suggested that the statement "High school pitchers have more injury risk" is the equivalent of saying "College pitchers never get hurt."

 

He dismissed, out of hand without the slightest interest in any evidence, the usefulness of AAA stats in predicting major league performance.

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I'm reading this and wondering what he said that was so ridiculous.

 

He didn't understand why high school prospects are more of an unknown when you draft them.

 

He suggested that statistical analysis means "I want this guy because he has 120 RBIs"

 

He suggested that the statement "High school pitchers have more injury risk" is the equivalent of saying "College pitchers never get hurt."

 

He dismissed, out of hand without the slightest interest in any evidence, the usefulness of AAA stats in predicting major league performance.

 

While throughout the chat, complaining that stats guys were dismissive of scouts.

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I'm reading this and wondering what he said that was so ridiculous.

 

He didn't understand why high school prospects are more of an unknown when you draft them.

 

He suggested that statistical analysis means "I want this guy because he has 120 RBIs"

 

He suggested that the statement "High school pitchers have more injury risk" is the equivalent of saying "College pitchers never get hurt."

 

He dismissed, out of hand without the slightest interest in any evidence, the usefulness of AAA stats in predicting major league performance.

 

While throughout the chat, complaining that stats guys were dismissive of scouts.

 

Exactly KKG's point. He was right on with virtually everything!

questionmarkgrace Draft Eligible

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@BruceMiles2112: #Cubs scouting guru and Jim Hendry confidant Gary Hughes won't return next year.

 

:)

 

 

this is a great sign. why some of these guys had such longevity with little results continues to baffle me but at least Ricketts seems to be moving in the right direction.

UK1679666180 Knoxville Smokies

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Somewhere me and Bruce Miles are both somewhat disappointed about this, despite the fact it was certain to happen.

 

Well here, we're celebrating.

 

Which is unfortunate, he's been good to great at scouting throughout his professional career. It's not his fault that Hendry did not combine his talents with someone well-versed in statistics to view it from an analysis basis as well. Hendry only looked at it from one side ledger.

 

His body of work is far more relevant than one Baseball America interview.

KingCubsFan ACL Cubs

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Somewhere me and Bruce Miles are both somewhat disappointed about this, despite the fact it was certain to happen.

 

Well here, we're celebrating.

 

Which is unfortunate, he's been good to great at scouting throughout his professional career. It's not his fault that Hendry did not combine his talents with someone well-versed in statistics to view it from an analysis basis as well. Hendry only looked at it from one side ledger.

 

His body of work is far more relevant than one Baseball America interview.

Had he been credited for any players brought in by the Cubs? All I remember when he got brought in is people pointing to Marquis Grissom and Moises Alou.

UK1679666180 Knoxville Smokies

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Could you point me in the direction of his body of work with the Cubs?

 

No one's work has been good under the Cubs since '02. I have no problem with him leaving, given his age and lack of ties with the team but most likely he does still provide good evaluation skills despite the Cubs as a whole not performing up to par for the last 10 years.

abuck1220 Iowa Cubs

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Somewhere me and Bruce Miles are both somewhat disappointed about this, despite the fact it was certain to happen.

 

Well here, we're celebrating.

 

Which is unfortunate, he's been good to great at scouting throughout his professional career. It's not his fault that Hendry did not combine his talents with someone well-versed in statistics to view it from an analysis basis as well. Hendry only looked at it from one side ledger.

 

His body of work is far more relevant than one Baseball America interview.

 

this sounds like you're blaming hendry for not hiring a guy to correct hughes' mistakes. and that with someone there to tell him what a terrible job he was doing, hughes would have been really successful.

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