Zambrano traded to Marlins for Chris Volstad (P. 8)

[XZero771679666304]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

With no hope of draft compensation, I find it tough to believe that there's a bunch of trade value for Z to recapture when his new team would have him for 2 months.

 

Exactly. This is always what a Zambrano deal was going to be like. Volstad/Dominguez would be pretty good compared what I was expecting.

 

Hendry would have gotten less.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Really inexplicable trade. Even with the saved money, once the Cubs pay Volstad they're back at square one. The worst part is the Cubs just got rid of one of the Garza bidders in this deal. A rotation of Dempster/Wood/Wells/Volstad/? How this team sniffs 65 wins I don't know.

 

The Marlins couldn't put together a worthwhile package for Garza anyway.

 

 

Agreed, but they do make nice leverage.

 

Why should they bother giving up valuable assets for a 2 starter when they can acquire a 3 starter for their 5 starter swing man + enough money to acquire another crappy 5 starter/swing man, maybe two.

[sneakypower]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

With no hope of draft compensation, I find it tough to believe that there's a bunch of trade value for Z to recapture when his new team would have him for 2 months.

 

Exactly. This is always what a Zambrano deal was going to be like. Volstad/Dominguez would be pretty good compared what I was expecting.

 

Hendry would have gotten less.

 

Hendry would have paid his entire salary plus an extra 5 mil and Starlin Castro just so they'd take him, amiright?

[XZero771679666304]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

because that's likely.

 

It doesn't matter if it was likely, there was a chance. The Cubs could have found a half dozen Volstad's this offseason. If the return is nothing, then hold out for the 1% chance Z can make himself valuable again and at least bring a lottery ticket or two back.

 

And there was at least an equal chance Z stank and maybe blew his top again and we get absolutely nothing for him.

[Castro13]

At this point Im really wondering why in he hell Dejusus was signed? Obious they are in ful rebuild mode so why sign an over 30 RF'er to a multi million contact? Just plug in a minor leaguer and save that money too.

[XZero771679666304]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

With no hope of draft compensation, I find it tough to believe that there's a bunch of trade value for Z to recapture when his new team would have him for 2 months.

 

Exactly. This is always what a Zambrano deal was going to be like. Volstad/Dominguez would be pretty good compared what I was expecting.

 

Hendry would have gotten less.

 

Hendry would have paid his entire salary plus an extra 5 mil and Starlin Castro just so they'd take him, amiright?

No, but Hendry was more motivated to simply be rid of him than Theo is.

[El Duderino]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

because that's likely.

 

It doesn't matter if it was likely, there was a chance. The Cubs could have found a half dozen Volstad's this offseason. If the return is nothing, then hold out for the 1% chance Z can make himself valuable again and at least bring a lottery ticket or two back.

 

the return isn't nothing, it's chris volstad. volstad's more likely to become a decent mid-rotation starter than zambrano is of finding the fountain of youth.

[Guest]

I don't mind Volstad being the main player coming back at all. We all wanted Theo in part due to his ability to use statistics to find undervalued players, yet when it comes to acquiring these people we immediately revolt. I say let Theo succeed or fail before we completely judge his moves as horrible.

 

Pretty much how I feel.

[Little Slide Rooter]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

I had interest in him when he was a non tender candidate, but not for our 2nd best pitcher+ 15-16 million dollars. Maybe they're just trying to build an entire team out of 4-5 starters, 4th outfielders, and middle relievers.

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't mind Volstad being the main player coming back at all. We all wanted Theo in part due to his ability to use statistics to find undervalued players, yet when it comes to acquiring these people we immediately revolt. I say let Theo succeed or fail before we completely judge his moves as horrible.

 

Pretty much how I feel.

 

i agree except for the last sentence. much more fun to ignore his several-year track record and call him a moron within two months of him starting with the cubs.

[PrimeTime]

Looks like Theo had a bad taste in his mouth from when they met up at Goose Island a couple months ago.

[Guest]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

Really weird to think that he's 2 weeks younger than Cashner.

 

Volstad's HR rate is one thing that's downright bizarre to me. He's a pretty good ground ball guy who didn't give up many HRs in MiLB and played half his games in Pro Player, but he's had some crazy high and crazy low HR rates in his short MLB career. I don't know what to make of it.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Maybe they're just trying to build an entire team out of 4-5 starters, 4th outfielders, and middle relievers.

Shhh... Theo just found the new way to beat the system!

[El Duderino]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

Really weird to think that he's 2 weeks younger than Cashner.

 

Volstad's HR rate is one thing that's downright bizarre to me. He's a pretty good ground ball guy who didn't give up many HRs in MiLB and played half his games in Pro Player, but he's had some crazy high and crazy low HR rates in his short MLB career. I don't know what to make of it.

 

pitch selection?

[TruffleShuffle]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

I had interest in him when he was a non tender candidate, but not for our 2nd best pitcher+ 15-16 million dollars. Maybe they're just trying to build an entire team out of 4-5 starters, 4th outfielders, and middle relievers.

 

yeah that's probably exactly what theo is doing, he's decided to not do the things that won two world series in boston and instead build a team that will be the worst team in baseball every year.

[KaiserCesar]

At this point Im really wondering why in he hell Dejusus was signed? Obious they are in ful rebuild mode so why sign an over 30 RF'er to a multi million contact? Just plug in a minor leaguer and save that money too.

 

Signing DeJesus adds talent which can be turned into wins or later traded for longer term talent. For a team with a lot of payroll space, it's a way to add to the overall talent pool in the organization, whether you choose to keep the players or not.

 

This move wasn't a salary dump even though two Reed Johnsons worth of money was saved. Getting Volstad increases the overall value of the players in the organization - especially after 2012.

[Rob]

Goldstein on Matt Dominguez, earlier this month:

 

Dominguez sounds like a guy Theo/Hoyer would target given their apparent extremely strong emphasis on defense and lukewarm stance on offense. Not sure Z's value is high enough to net him, but it wouldn't surprise me if Theo/Hoyer want him.

 

The Red Sox routinely ranked as one of the top offensive teams in baseball under Epstein. We will have offense, even if it isn't next year.

[Guest]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

I had interest in him when he was a non tender candidate, but not for our 2nd best pitcher+ 15-16 million dollars. Maybe they're just trying to build an entire team out of 4-5 starters, 4th outfielders, and middle relievers.

 

Woah.

 

I don't think he's even our 3rd best at this point.

[davell]

If we had a choice between Volstad OR Dominguez, did we go the right way? I guess so. But, I'd have rather held onto a motivated, contract seeking Z and see what we've got at the deadline......

[TruffleShuffle]

well, i definitely like Volstad a lot more than it sounds like you guys all do

 

Really weird to think that he's 2 weeks younger than Cashner.

 

Volstad's HR rate is one thing that's downright bizarre to me. He's a pretty good ground ball guy who didn't give up many HRs in MiLB and played half his games in Pro Player, but he's had some crazy high and crazy low HR rates in his short MLB career. I don't know what to make of it.

 

i'd guess underwhelming stuff plus not good enough command - when he misses high it's probably pretty easy to bash.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't mind Volstad being the main player coming back at all. We all wanted Theo in part due to his ability to use statistics to find undervalued players, yet when it comes to acquiring these people we immediately revolt. I say let Theo succeed or fail before we completely judge his moves as horrible.

 

Pretty much how I feel.

 

I understand that concept when taking a 1-1.5 mil chance in Manny Corpas and Andy Sonnesntine, but unless we get some quality prospects back as well, you dont think we gave up a bit much for a medium reward player?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

With no hope of draft compensation, I find it tough to believe that there's a bunch of trade value for Z to recapture when his new team would have him for 2 months.

 

Would it be that hard to get a Chris Volstad for him at the deadline?

[XZero771679666304]

I don't mind Volstad being the main player coming back at all. We all wanted Theo in part due to his ability to use statistics to find undervalued players, yet when it comes to acquiring these people we immediately revolt. I say let Theo succeed or fail before we completely judge his moves as horrible.

 

Pretty much how I feel.

 

i agree except for the last sentence. much more fun to ignore his several-year track record and call him a moron within two months of him starting with the cubs.

 

But he said every chance to win was sacred but he didn't sign Pujols and isn't going for it in 2012 like I thought he would and wanted him to we're not going to compete for 4 years OMG he's broken or we've been bamboozled RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

[Guest]

 

You know I would've gone about the offseason differently to this point, but going forward, would you rather win 78 games next year and be done with Z, or win 75 games next year and have someone of potential use for the following 2-3 years?

 

If we're intent on being a [expletive] team, why not let Z pitch for 3 months, prove he can coexist with people and then trade him rather than trade him fresh off a hissy fit suspension by our blowhard ex-GM.

 

The Hendryness of this move is very troubling to me.

 

With no hope of draft compensation, I find it tough to believe that there's a bunch of trade value for Z to recapture when his new team would have him for 2 months.

 

Would it be that hard to get a Chris Volstad for him at the deadline?

 

 

If he thinks Volstad's a bounceback candidate and his value is about as low as it's gonna be, sure might be.