Prospects who were never Cubs

[Guest]

Joey Gallo has a 42.2% K rate in 116 plate appearances at AA. He still has a .446 wOBA, but damn that's a lot of strikeouts.

 

makes me feel like baez and bryant are tony gwynn

[sneakypower]

yeah, Gallo has a 52% contact rate in AA

 

Baez was 65.5%, Bryant 69%

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

the next Russell Branyan.

[Guest]

@Rontrarian: Appel pulled after 1 2/3. 7 runs. #Astros

[CubInOK]

@Rontrarian: Appel pulled after 1 2/3. 7 runs. #Astros

Ewww pitchers.

[davell]

I want Houston to take a pitcher again next year in the top 5 so [expletive] bad.

[Tryptamine]

I don't even know what to say. You almost have to hope it's an injury at this point because if it's not then we might have a disaster that makes Hayden Simpson pale in comparison.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, for those who don't want to give the FO any credit for drafting well because screwing up when picking in the top 5 is "impossible", see the Houston Astros. If they can't sign Aiken and Appel is truly as big a disaster as the early results indicate, it's really going to make the sting from those 100+ loss seasons linger.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, for those who don't want to give the FO any credit for drafting well because screwing up when picking in the top 5 is "impossible", see the Houston Astros. If they can't sign Aiken and Appel is truly as big a disaster as the early results indicate, it's really going to make the sting from those 100+ loss seasons linger.

 

Of course, we likely would've drafted both of them if they were available...

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, for those who don't want to give the FO any credit for drafting well because screwing up when picking in the top 5 is "impossible", see the Houston Astros. If they can't sign Aiken and Appel is truly as big a disaster as the early results indicate, it's really going to make the sting from those 100+ loss seasons linger.

 

Of course, we likely would've drafted both of them if they were available...

 

Aiken, for sure. Not convinced about Appel. But drafting Aiken isn't how Houston is screwing up, it's by dicking him around.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, for those who don't want to give the FO any credit for drafting well because screwing up when picking in the top 5 is "impossible", see the Houston Astros. If they can't sign Aiken and Appel is truly as big a disaster as the early results indicate, it's really going to make the sting from those 100+ loss seasons linger.

 

Of course, we likely would've drafted both of them if they were available...

 

Aiken, for sure. Not convinced about Appel. But drafting Aiken isn't how Houston is screwing up, it's by dicking him around.

 

Why are you so obsessed with making sure the front office gets credit?

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, for those who don't want to give the FO any credit for drafting well because screwing up when picking in the top 5 is "impossible", see the Houston Astros. If they can't sign Aiken and Appel is truly as big a disaster as the early results indicate, it's really going to make the sting from those 100+ loss seasons linger.

 

Of course, we likely would've drafted both of them if they were available...

 

Aiken, for sure. Not convinced about Appel. But drafting Aiken isn't how Houston is screwing up, it's by dicking him around.

 

Why are you so obsessed with making sure the front office gets credit?

 

I'm obsessed? Okay. I'd say you're far more obsessed with making sure that they are assigned ample amounts of blame (they deserve their share) for everything and virtually no credit for anything, and that anyone who disagrees at all is exposed as being an ass kissing apologist.

 

I was just pointing out that drafting in the top five isn't idiot proof, as some here have said. Jeff Luhnow is no idiot, and if they're not careful, the Astros will have essentially nothing to show for two 100-loss seasons and two #1 overall picks. We have no way of being certain that the FO wouldn't have done the same, though everything I have heard leads me to believe they would have taken Bryant and Aiken/Rodon with the same picks.

[SouthSideRyan]

If anyone said drafting in the top 5 is idiot proof, it hasn't happened often. I've seen "If the FO is so good, we shouldn't have to draft in the top 5 to get a good farm system" which is far from the same thing.

[SouthSideRyan]

We have no way of being certain that the FO wouldn't have done the same, though everything I have heard leads me to believe they would have taken Bryant.

 

Eh? Is this just the theory somebody came up with that just because they said they'd have drafted Appel, it doesn't mean they would because it's some bizarre smokescreen for drafts down the road?

[Guest]

If anyone said drafting in the top 5 is idiot proof, it hasn't happened often. I've seen "If the FO is so good, we shouldn't have to draft in the top 5 to get a good farm system" which is far from the same thing.

 

I've seen a whole lot of "it's easy to get a good farm system when you're drafting in the Top 5 every year".

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't know how much you can trust the post-draft-day sourcing, but lots of them were saying that Appel and Aiken were No. 1 on the Cubs' boards and they got No. 2 each time.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

[davell]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

 

I'm far from convinced Shark would have been given a rotation spot by the previous regime.

[SouthSideRyan]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

 

I'm far from convinced Shark would have been given a rotation spot by the previous regime.

 

Them doing it with Dempster when he wasn't even their prized possession makes me think they would have.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

 

I'm far from convinced Shark would have been given a rotation spot by the previous regime.

 

Well, I mean other than him saying they had told them they intended to do it, what do we have to go on?

[davell]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

 

I'm far from convinced Shark would have been given a rotation spot by the previous regime.

 

Them doing it with Dempster when he wasn't even their prized possession makes me think they would have.

 

I think he would have been given a shot. But if I'm not mistaken, his first spring training numbers weren't all that great. I think they would have had an extra starter or two in camp and figure he wouldn't have had any leash whatsoever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He had a 4.50 ERA in 20 innings. Nothing egregious in Arizona.

[davell]

He had a 4.50 ERA in 20 innings. Nothing egregious in Arizona.

 

So I'm right. Not all that great.

[Guest]

It's all very chicken/egg. There's a good bit of residual reason to think Shark would've been given a chance to start, but would he have become what he is now without Bosio? Maybe so, maybe he becomes more like Edwin Jackson, or maybe he goes the way of Randall Delgado and never does much.

[bukie]

Besides, it's easy to build a great farm system when you inherit a bunch of pitchers you can trade for prospects and are allowed to divert all your money to IFAs.

Sure, Rumplestiltskin spun straw into gold, but that's easy to do when you have so much straw to work with and time to do it. We're not giving enough credit to the guy that provided all the straw.