Bryce Harper douchiness thread

[Guest]

Sorry, I'm going to leave the burden of proof on "top prospects get thrown at just for being top prospects", and not the inverse.

 

I have Lefty's Legacy somewhere....Bonus babies constantly caught [expletive] and it's mentioned in the book. Even if I didnt remember that tidbit I would neeeeeveeeer care to prove such a minute event...This is SUCH a non event to me beyond people making it way more than it is.

 

But no do go on...this is a MAJOR issue that the sport needs to really investigate.

 

Where's the concern for Hamels, who was blatantly beaned an inning later? He didnt back down over that, and that was most definitely not an accident. What if he got hurt? What it he woke up and his leg was black and blue?

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

[erik316wttn]

Sorry, I'm going to leave the burden of proof on "top prospects get thrown at just for being top prospects", and not the inverse.

 

I have Lefty's Legacy somewhere....Bonus babies constantly caught [expletive] and it's mentioned in the book. Even if I didnt remember that tidbit I would neeeeeveeeer care to prove such a minute event...This is SUCH a non event to me beyond people making it way more than it is.

 

But no do go on...this is a MAJOR issue that the sport needs to really investigate.

 

Where's the concern for Hamels, who was blatantly beaned an inning later? He didnt back down over that, and that was most definitely not an accident.

 

Note a few pages up where I said the opposing pitcher should also be suspended for plunking Hamels.

 

Ugh while that's fair, it's still a little queer.

 

When did this whole "let's get outraged over nothing" thing start?

They solved it themselves on the field, which despite its meatheadedness and all of official law led to NO injuries. Why do you people care so much over this?

 

Again, it was the very realistic POTENTIAL for injury. Just because "nobody got hurt" doesn't mean that it was ok.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Sorry, I'm going to leave the burden of proof on "top prospects get thrown at just for being top prospects", and not the inverse.

 

I have Lefty's Legacy somewhere....Bonus babies constantly caught [expletive] and it's mentioned in the book. Even if I didnt remember that tidbit I would neeeeeveeeer care to prove such a minute event...This is SUCH a non event to me beyond people making it way more than it is.

 

But no do go on...this is a MAJOR issue that the sport needs to really investigate.

 

Where's the concern for Hamels, who was blatantly beaned an inning later? He didnt back down over that, and that was most definitely not an accident.

 

Note a few pages up where I said the opposing pitcher should also be suspended for plunking Hamels.

 

Ugh while that's fair, it's still a little queer.

 

When did this whole "let's get outraged over nothing" thing start?

They solved it themselves on the field, which despite its meatheadedness and all of official law led to NO injuries. Why do you people care so much over this?

 

Again, it was the very realistic POTENTIAL for injury. Just because "nobody got hurt" doesn't mean that it was ok.

 

That's why they threw (BOTH pitchers) where they threw. Im not sure what's to be misunderstood about that.

 

Quick though Ray Chapman got killed by a HBP do use the as an example. It wasn't intentional but it WAS a HBP. Danger danger!

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were assholes...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

[erik316wttn]

Ok, so then answer me this. I've posed these questions indirectly in a few different forms in this thread, but now I'm going to ask them directly and would like a clear response from you.

 

Question the first: Cole Hamels, professional pitcher with pinpoint control, intentionally hits Bryce Harper in the small of the back for some made-up reason. No damage is done, and you say it's ok. However, lets say Cole Hamels, same professional pitcher with pinpoint control, has a beef with you on the street and hits you with exactly the same pitch in the same location on your body, and there is no damage to you. Is that ok? I'm not talking if "I" did it, or if "you" did it, I'm talking Hamels specifically in these two situations, with the only difference being in a major league game.

 

Question 2) Hamels throws at Harper for being a snot-nosed little punk who's good at baseball (the NERVE!!) and aims for a "non-bad" area like his thigh or lower back, but instead he misses his target and hits Harper in the wrist, breaking it and landing Harper on the DL. Is it still ok? Yes or no?

[TruffleShuffle]

ok, let's stop comparing what happens on a baseball field to what happens on the street, that's even stupider than what cole hamels did.

[erik316wttn]

ok, let's stop comparing what happens on a baseball field to what happens on the street, that's even stupider than what cole hamels did.

 

In a way that's kind of my point.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were [expletive]...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

 

I have opinions about lots of people who can't give a [expletive] about what I think. Bob Gibson IS an [expletive]. Why does it offend you that somebody besides you has an opinion?

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Are you fuckin kidding me? STILL with the street stuff and hypothetical nonsense? That's completely different. What would happen if a hooker raped someone?

 

If he broke his stupid wrist then I'd be in your mob. That's not even REMOTELY what happened.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were [expletive]...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

 

I have opinions about lots of people who can't give a [expletive] about what I think. Bob Gibson IS an [expletive]. Why does it offend you that somebody besides you has an opinion?

 

Yeah well....got me there. Still see nothing wrong with what happened, but sure it's fine to be outraged now that I'm reminded.

 

Otoh I'm outraged by being grandmothered with hypotheticals that mean nothing. Someone even kinda sorta equated it with racism in this thread. Surprised Hamels isn't a Nazi yet...

Edited May 8, 2012 by PriortoTheoIhadWood

[erik316wttn]

Are you [expletive] kidding me? STILL with the street stuff and hypothetical nonsense? That's completely different. What would happen if a hooker raped someone?

 

If he broke his stupid wrist then I'd be in your mob. That's not even REMOTELY what happened.

 

I was just asking you to clarify your position. Testy, testy.

 

So I can safely say that you feel that "throwing at a guy is ok, so long as he doesn't get hurt?" And "baseball field= ok, anywhere else= not ok?"

 

And to say that's not REMOTELY what happened is a little off, seeing as the only variable is that the ball went where Hamels intended it to. My point is that pitches get away from pitchers sometimes. It happens to every pitcher, and it could have happened to Hamels there, but thankfully it didn't.

 

And I'm not in any sort of "mob." Hamels was out of line and acted dangerously, regardless of the result. A five-game suspension is fair. The opposing pitcher should be suspended for five games as well, and nothing more severe for either.

Edited May 8, 2012 by erik316wttn

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

You've asked the same crap and presented the same scenarios numerous times....I've called them ridiculous every time. The fact that you made that the official one is just alright already.

 

You have the right to be outraged, as minuscule as this is. Enough with trying to come up with fake situations that make it what it wasnt.

[XZero771679666304]

I have yet to hear an analyst support (or not repudiate) the notion that what Hamels did was "old school". Mitch [expletive] Williams jumped Hamels' case and he's a brain dead, old school, meathead cowboy.

 

It was just unprecedented and stupid.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

I have yet to hear an analyst support (or not repudiate) the notion that what Hamels did was "old school". Mitch [expletive] Williams jumped Hamels' case and he's a brain dead, old school, meathead cowboy.

 

It was just unprecedented and stupid.

 

Then you didn't watch the game. They didn't say anything to damn it, and considered it finished after Simmerman hit Hamels.

 

But hey if Mitch Fuckin Williams is mad then who am I....

Edited May 8, 2012 by PriortoTheoIhadWood

[erik316wttn]

You've asked the same crap and presented the same scenarios numerous times....I've called them ridiculous every time. The fact that you made that the official one is just alright already.

 

You have the right to be outraged, as minuscule as this is. Enough with trying to come up with fake situations that make it what it wasnt.

 

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

You've asked the same crap and presented the same scenarios numerous times....I've called them ridiculous every time. The fact that you made that the official one is just alright already.

 

You have the right to be outraged, as minuscule as this is. Enough with trying to come up with fake situations that make it what it wasnt.

 

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done.

 

You got the same response you've been getting, except I indulged your injury what it nonsense.

[erik316wttn]

You've asked the same crap and presented the same scenarios numerous times....I've called them ridiculous every time. The fact that you made that the official one is just alright already.

 

You have the right to be outraged, as minuscule as this is. Enough with trying to come up with fake situations that make it what it wasnt.

 

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done.

 

You got the same response you've been getting, except I indulged your injury what it nonsense.

 

:) You're fun. I like you.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

You've asked the same crap and presented the same scenarios numerous times....I've called them ridiculous every time. The fact that you made that the official one is just alright already.

 

You have the right to be outraged, as minuscule as this is. Enough with trying to come up with fake situations that make it what it wasnt.

 

I was just trying to flush out your stance. You gave yours, I gave mine, and as far as I'm concerned it's done.

 

You got the same response you've been getting, except I indulged your injury what it nonsense.

 

:) You're fun. I like you.

 

Lol that makes one on NSBB.

[Guest]

Again I ask, where was A-Rod's "welcome to the big leagues, hot shot" beanball? Ryan Braun's? Junior's?

 

Even go back to last year with Mike Trout.

 

He got hit twice. The first was by Kevin Gregg in the bottom of the 12th with LA down two, a runner on first and no outs. The second was by Jamey Wright in the top of the 9th with LA up one, a runner on first and two outs. There's no way the first was intentional and I'm going to take an educated guess and say the second wasn't either.

[RammyFanny]

I kind of found it funny how it was said that alot of the beaning had to do with Hammels trying to be the alpha male, testosterone, etc., and then Hammels went on for like 2 minutes proclaiming what a ridiculously amazing player Harper is going to be after he admitted to beaning him. I don't know about you, but if I peg someone i'm not going to compliment their ass after the game, let alone go on a detailed rant about their future greatness.

 

That said, let's rename this the "Bryce Harper, Cole Hammels douchinesss but we still want their ass on our team thread"

[Benchwarmer]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were [expletive]...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

 

I wouldn't lump Bob Gibson in with Hamels or Clemens. While Gibson was a tough pitcher, who threw inside, he was NEVER called dirty or anything like that. He NEVER went head hunting. He didn't like batters who leaned over the plate and would brush them back. He didn't like for the other team to show off, he'd send a message. Opposing players respected him, feared him but they NEVER called him dirty.

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were [expletive]...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

 

I wouldn't lump Bob Gibson in with Hamels or Clemens. While Gibson was a tough pitcher, who threw inside, he was NEVER called dirty or anything like that. He NEVER went head hunting. He didn't like batters who leaned over the plate and would brush them back. He didn't like for the other team to show off, he'd send a message. Opposing players respected him, feared him but they NEVER called him dirty.

 

Remember when Gibson played the bulk of his career. It may not have been the 1950's, but it probably wouldn't have been a good idea for him to plunk dem white boys.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I'm not terrified for Harper's or Hamels' health, I just think Hamels is a moron of the highest order for throwing at him for a made up reason.

 

So? Why is your opinion so significant in the situation? It certainly didn't do anything to prevent the giant incident. Why do you even care?

 

It's FINE to think he's an idiot. People thought Clemens and Gibson were [expletive]...Guess how much that mattered or what tha did to stop them or the general activity?

 

I wouldn't lump Bob Gibson in with Hamels or Clemens. While Gibson was a tough pitcher, who threw inside, he was NEVER called dirty or anything like that. He NEVER went head hunting. He didn't like batters who leaned over the plate and would brush them back. He didn't like for the other team to show off, he'd send a message. Opposing players respected him, feared him but they NEVER called him dirty.

 

Bob Gibson was a [expletive] [expletive] who I wouldn't spit on if he was on fire. I hope he steps on a landmine.

[SouthSideRyan]

Again I ask, where was A-Rod's "welcome to the big leagues, hot shot" beanball? Ryan Braun's? Junior's?

 

Even go back to last year with Mike Trout.

 

He got hit twice. The first was by Kevin Gregg in the bottom of the 12th with LA down two, a runner on first and no outs. The second was by Jamey Wright in the top of the 9th with LA up one, a runner on first and two outs. There's no way the first was intentional and I'm going to take an educated guess and say the second wasn't either.

 

Jamey Wright was probably trying to throw an intentional walk.

[jersey cubs fan]

Again I ask, where was A-Rod's "welcome to the big leagues, hot shot" beanball? Ryan Braun's? Junior's?

 

They didn't get hit because the pitchers weren't old school in the 90's/00's. That's why all the old school worshippers started to complain, and so it was up to the next generation to live up to that old school mentality.