Z on the 2011 Chicago Cubs: "We stinks!"

[KingCubsFan]

If we're getting rid of Z, let's convince Anthropoulos/Shapiro he needs a veteran anchor on his staff and see how much money we have to pick up to get Lawrie/Chisenhall.

 

I really doubt Lawrie would be made available. Chisenhall is a bit more likely, but not terribly so... we could probably pry away Kipnis though.

Are these posts sarcasm? We're not getting near anyone's top prospects for Z.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we're getting rid of Z, let's convince Anthropoulos/Shapiro he needs a veteran anchor on his staff and see how much money we have to pick up to get Lawrie/Chisenhall.

 

I really doubt Lawrie would be made available. Chisenhall is a bit more likely, but not terribly so... we could probably pry away Kipnis though.

Are these posts sarcasm? We're not getting near anyone's top prospects for Z.

 

If were picking up some salary, yes we are. But like I said, he still has that NTC and probably has not intention of going to Cleveland or Toronto.

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-110605-bigz-poll,0,3116106,post.poll

For once, I agree with the clamoring masses on the Trib web poll.

 

+1 for the Meatballs out there

 

Or maybe they arent meatballs and understand that he said nothing wrong and this wasnt your average Z mad, smash Gator Aid cooler tirade.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's a 120 ERA+ starter. We may not get someone's absolute top prospect, but we better get something pretty amazing.

 

Not that it matters, he's not going anywhere until we can effectively trash his value. Break out the Baker Pitcher's Manual for his usage patterns the rest of the year.

[UMFan83]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-110605-bigz-poll,0,3116106,post.poll

For once, I agree with the clamoring masses on the Trib web poll.

 

+1 for the Meatballs out there

 

Haha you lose Sullivan!

[SouthSideRyan]

If Darwin Barney gave the exact same speech, he'd have a statue outside Wrigley by Tuesday morning.

 

Or Tom Ricketts

[Old Style]

My reaction to what Z said.

 

:clapping: :good:

[CUBZ99]

This "Z is crazy meme" is getting out of control. The writers focus on his past actions and somehow try to equate them to his comments yesterday. It would be one thing if he was tearing up the clubhouse or destroying the water cooler, but he wasn't, he was voicing his frustration with the situation at hand. Nowhere did he call out one teammate or not point the finger at himself. He was holding the whole team accountable.

 

I agree with other posters, that if it was Dempster or even Kerry Wood that made the comment, the writers would be applauding them for their leadership and speaking the truth.

[BeerHere]

This team is going nowhere. Z and Marmol have the most value and the Cubs won't really be in a position to contend while their contracts are on the books so we might as well trade them for prospects that will be a part of the future. The return MUST be very good, I don't want to just dump them for anything. We need good prospects, players to build on not some hack/rebuild project(s).

[Mark Priors Calves]

Haugh is the worst writer in town.

 

I always thoguht Haugh was pretty decent before he took over "In The Wake of the News". But he's been terrible since then, no doubt.

 

His NFL Concussion/Robot Apocalypse column was quite a thing

That was Rick Telander.

[wastra]

I know it's consiered "bad form" to call out your teammates, and I know that outbursts like this aren't exactly uncommon from Zambrano.

 

 

But he's right. This is not a good team, and the ijuries have made it worse, but there really can't be any question that there are a lot of players on this roster who, even with all that in mind, aren't pulling their weight. If it takes publicly embarassing them to make them focus and perform they way they're paid, then so be it. Zambrano, despite his chidlishness in some ways, he put a lot of work into beign a btter pitcher this year. He's pitchedsmartly, been in shape, and been largely successful. The effort is undeniable.

 

With all the hemming and hawing, apologizing, rationalizing, and excusing we hear every time someone puts a microphone in front of players, managers, or front office people, it's no wonder that there never appears to be any sense of urgency with this team. It's no wonder there seems to be such a lack of focus or intensity.

 

There's a difference between "just not hitting well" for a period, or just not having the command on a given night and not focusing and making mental mistakes. Servign up a homer to Pujols is excusable. He's among the best hitters ever to play the game. Him being able to hit yoru pitches is unavoidable. Choosing to pitch to him at all in that situation is not excusable. That's an error that could have and should have been avoided.

 

Having Theriot hit your best pitch is an excusable error. He's a major leaguer who can put bat on the ball. throwing that instead of a fastball when you know he doesn't hit the fastball well is not excusable. That's somethign you completely have under your control and can avoid easily.

 

 

And that's the story of this team this year. Injuries have hurt, but even with them, the players underachieve. I'm kind of glad someone is saying it.

[Sammy Sofa]

This team is going nowhere. Z and Marmol have the most value and the Cubs won't really be in a position to contend while their contracts are on the books so we might as well trade them for prospects that will be a part of the future.

 

Stop saying this like it's fact. With the money coming off the books the Cubs could very easily be competitive as early as next season. No, it's by no means a lock, but that so many people have this automatic assumption that the Cubs are going to so hopelessly suck and can do nothing about it for the next 3+ seasons is absurd.

[Pushfrog98]

Z is off here. First of all, he is not the guy to do this. He has never been a leader and has acted like a child since he got here.

Who IS the leader of this team though? Aside from Kerry, he's the longest tenured player. Dempster is too much of the "fun loving" guy, Kerry is a quiet guy who spends most the time in the bullpen, not the dugout... there really is no "take charge" guy right now. Just because Z hasn't been a leader in the past, is he disqualified from trying to take the reigns now? I applaud him for stepping up and speaking his mind in a (surprisingly) civil manner.

[Little Slide Rooter]

This team is going nowhere. Z and Marmol have the most value and the Cubs won't really be in a position to contend while their contracts are on the books so we might as well trade them for prospects that will be a part of the future.

 

Stop saying this like it's fact. With the money coming off the books the Cubs could very easily be competitive as early as next season. No, it's by no means a lock, but that so many people have this automatic assumption that the Cubs are going to so hopelessly suck and can do nothing about it for the next 3+ seasons is absurd.

 

Its not fact, if they do spend some of that money in the offseason, they could be competitve again as soon as next year, but if they try to take what we already have and sprinkle in some middling free agents of the Jeromy Burnitz/Jacque Jones variety, it could be 3 years if were lucky, especially since our farm system seems to be producing some solid building blocks, but no foundation. This is a very important offseason coming up.

[Sammy Sofa]

This team is going nowhere. Z and Marmol have the most value and the Cubs won't really be in a position to contend while their contracts are on the books so we might as well trade them for prospects that will be a part of the future.

 

Stop saying this like it's fact. With the money coming off the books the Cubs could very easily be competitive as early as next season. No, it's by no means a lock, but that so many people have this automatic assumption that the Cubs are going to so hopelessly suck and can do nothing about it for the next 3+ seasons is absurd.

 

Its not fact, if they do spend some of that money in the offseason, they could be competitve again as soon as next year, but if they try to take what we already have and sprinkle in some middling free agents of the Jeromy Burnitz/Jacque Jones variety, it could be 3 years if were lucky, especially since our farm system seems to be producing some solid building blocks, but no foundation. This is a very important offseason coming up.

 

You're stating the painfully obvious.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Having been isolated from MLB for the better part of the past few days, I was expecting a profanity-laced rant based on the thread title. After reading the quotes and whatnot, I have absolutely no problem with what he said. He's right.

[Little Slide Rooter]

This team is going nowhere. Z and Marmol have the most value and the Cubs won't really be in a position to contend while their contracts are on the books so we might as well trade them for prospects that will be a part of the future.

 

Stop saying this like it's fact. With the money coming off the books the Cubs could very easily be competitive as early as next season. No, it's by no means a lock, but that so many people have this automatic assumption that the Cubs are going to so hopelessly suck and can do nothing about it for the next 3+ seasons is absurd.

 

Its not fact, if they do spend some of that money in the offseason, they could be competitve again as soon as next year, but if they try to take what we already have and sprinkle in some middling free agents of the Jeromy Burnitz/Jacque Jones variety, it could be 3 years if were lucky, especially since our farm system seems to be producing some solid building blocks, but no foundation. This is a very important offseason coming up.

 

You're stating the painfully obvious.

 

Which has been stated over and over in multiple threads. I just wish that we knew their plans. While I havnt heard any implications by those truely in the know that they plan to leave things as is and go with the youth movement, I also havnt heard any concrete implications that they plan on going out and spending in the offseason. The sense of uncertainty is killing me.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why would you possibly expect the team owners to have their post-2011 plans spelled out for us at this point?

[Guancous]

Haugh is the worst writer in town.

 

I always thoguht Haugh was pretty decent before he took over "In The Wake of the News". But he's been terrible since then, no doubt.

 

His Bears analysis was great. He was one of the best X&O guys in the nation. Now...

[Men in Blue]

First time poster, long time lurker. I think it is great Z ripped this team. This was a far cry from the typical Z rant. That said, the more I listen to it being played on the radio, it sounds as if he is blasting Quade by saying you have to know the situation. Quade is a sacrificial lamb and will be launched at seasons end. He is absolutely not a major league manager.

 

Oh, and Z said: "We stinks", not: We stink. I nearly peed my pants when I heard him say it that way.

[Men in Blue]

Bruce Miles said this:

 

"Zambrano is right — partially. He's right in saying the Cubs should be embarrassed. He's wrong in saying the Cubs are playing like a Triple-A team. It's more like the Cubs are playing like a first-year expansion team, as they're on a pace to finish this season 65-97. Now, he's left looking like the bad guy again because he told the truth about a bad team".

 

 

Read more: http://dailyherald.com/article/20110605/sports/706059828/#ixzz1OVqmdDR1[/b].

[tfarks]

First time poster, long time lurker. I think it is great Z ripped this team. This was a far cry from the typical Z rant. That said, the more I listen to it being played on the radio, it sounds as if he is blasting Quade by saying you have to know the situation. Quade is a sacrificial lamb and will be launched at seasons end. He is absolutely not a major league manager.

 

Oh, and Z said: "We stinks", not: We stink. I nearly peed my pants when I heard him say it that way.

 

I just hope this doesn't affect their success in the Fecal League Standings.

[kujay]

Bruce Miles said this:

 

"Zambrano is right — partially. He's right in saying the Cubs should be embarrassed. He's wrong in saying the Cubs are playing like a Triple-A team. It's more like the Cubs are playing like a first-year expansion team, as they're on a pace to finish this season 65-97. Now, he's left looking like the bad guy again because he told the truth about a bad team".

 

 

Read more: http://dailyherald.com/article/20110605/sports/706059828/#ixzz1OVqmdDR1[/b].

 

Exactly. Sullivan and Woj on ESPN framing the issue as Z being an idiot again are dead wrong. How can anyone NOT be embarassed by this mess of a team? At least Z cares.

[Men in Blue]

I just hope this doesn't affect their success in the Fecal League Standings.

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Bruce swooping in with some common sense yet again.