General 2011 Other Games Thread

[mul21]

i can't see any conclusive proof that the catcher actually applied the tag. and the umpire had the best angle on it.

 

I agree with this.

 

Lugo certainly acted like he was out.

 

he probably was out. but the replay doesn't show it clearly, and from the ump's perspective it probably looked like he whiffed on the tag.

 

it's a borderline bad call, and certainly not even close to the worst blown call we've ever seen.

 

That was what I thought when I saw it at full speed the first time. I'm still not convinced he tagged him, even with MLB's admission.

[Soul]

 

I don't see much from that picture either that says either way as it looks like the glove may be in front of the runner's leg creating the illusion that it is touching. I do think it's too conclusive either and if they go with the "it must be conclusive" thing that other sports with replay use than I don't think the call would be overturned.

 

Really? In that picture it looks to me like the front part of the glove is in front, but the back part lags behind the leg. Which means the glove is on the leg.

 

I don't know, it looks pretty conclusive to me. I don't really care though. I've given up on replay in MLB, until the Yankees are screwed again. Then suddenly the league will be magically open to talking about it again.

[bcl412]

 

I don't see much from that picture either that says either way as it looks like the glove may be in front of the runner's leg creating the illusion that it is touching. I do think it's too conclusive either and if they go with the "it must be conclusive" thing that other sports with replay use than I don't think the call would be overturned.

 

Really? In that picture it looks to me like the front part of the glove is in front, but the back part lags behind the leg. Which means the glove is on the leg.

 

I don't know, it looks pretty conclusive to me. I don't really care though. I've given up on replay in MLB, until the Yankees are screwed again. Then suddenly the league will be magically open to talking about it again.

 

Even so, replay wouldn't show this as it most likely wouldn't be a still shot but a video so I still feel that it would be tough to over rule in this instance based upon the angles that have been shown.

 

MLB should have replay though and it is annoying that they keep saying that "it will take a call similar to this one in a playoff game before something is done." Why the hell not just institute it now and prevent that terrible screw job from happening? There isn't any reason not too.

 

I understand that Selig is concerned about the length of games but I'm pretty sure that most plays (unlike a play like this) are conclusive enough to determine rather quickly if he was out or safe plus I'm sure the fans are more concerned with having the game called more correctly then adding 5 extra minutes to a game.

[TruffleShuffle]

MLB should have replay though and it is annoying that they keep saying that "it will take a call similar to this one in a playoff game before something is done."

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bfpRkyFviaI/StB76LYQ32I/AAAAAAAADaA/_IIt_Hy-2yg/s400/philcuzzi.jpg

[rocket]

Verlander 2 innings away from another no hitter

[erik316wttn]

Verlander 2 innings away from another no hitter

 

I hope he gets it. That dude is awesome.

[rocket]

Maybe 2 no hitters in 1 week where a run has been given up

 

edit: nevermind

[OleMissCub]

wow, just saw the highlights of that Tigers/Angels game. That was ugly as hell. Carlos Guillen is a little bitch. I think Weaver had a right to be pissed off.

[Guest]

wow, just saw the highlights of that Tigers/Angels game. That was ugly as hell. Carlos Guillen is a little bitch. I think Weaver had a right to be pissed off.

 

Yeah, what Guillen did was pretty weak. Equally weak of Weaver to go for the next batter's (I think it was the next one) head. If you want to plunk a guy, throw one in between the numbers.

 

On a related note, I hate the "bunting during a no-hitter is bush league" thing. I mean, I get it if it's a blowout, but this was a three-run game and, at least partially due to the bunt/error, the Angels scored twice in the inning which made it 3-2 going into the ninth. If Erick Aybar, who I'm assuming is fast since he's got 23 SB's this year, feels the best way he can get on base is by the bunt, so be it.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't see why what Guillen did was "weak." Weaver was talking [expletive] to him earlier in the game and he made him pay. If anyone was "weak" is was Weaver, for giving up the HR and then throwing at the next guy's head.

[Benchwarmer]

I don't see why what Guillen did was "weak." Weaver was talking [expletive] to him earlier in the game and he made him pay. If anyone was "weak" is was Weaver, for giving up the HR and then throwing at the next guy's head.

 

Guillen was weak. He made his point by hitting a HR and staring a second. Shappud..round the bases and don't say anything.

 

Weaver was wrong to throw at anyone's head. Used to be if you sent a message, you went after the other team's best player with one at his backside. Headhunting has never been a good decision.

 

Al Cowens waited two years to get back at Ed Farmer for plunking him in a ST game. Farmer was with the WSox then and Cowens hit a grounder with a man on first and charged the mound to level Farmer, rather than run to first. Harry Caray called it "the greatest sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.".

 

And the way Verlander was dealing, bunting your way on in a close game makes sense.

[Sammy Sofa]

The hell he was "weak." Guy talks [expletive] to you and then you crush a ball off of him (nevermind that hitting a home run off of a MLB pitcher is one of the hardest things you can do in professional sports) you SHOULD stare him down. Hop out of the box, strut down the line, moonwalk to 1B, whatever. I've never been shy about how much I can't stand the subjective "you can't show emotion HERE, but you can show emotion HERE"-fake rules in baseball. If you give someone the ultimate "[expletive] you" like Guillen did after Weaver got in his face, well, I can't help but be impressed. I love [expletive] like that.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Weaver wasn't talking to Guillen before that. Ordonez hit the earlier HR, and Weaver said something to Cabrera (I believe) when the thought Ordonez was showing him up. He was clearly waiting to see if it was fair or foul. Guillen and Weaver were both being asses.

[Benchwarmer]

The hell he was "weak." Guy talks [expletive] to you and then you crush a ball off of him (nevermind that hitting a home run off of a MLB pitcher is one of the hardest things you can do in professional sports) you SHOULD stare him down. Hop out of the box, strut down the line, moonwalk to 1B, whatever. I've never been shy about how much I can't stand the subjective "you can't show emotion HERE, but you can show emotion HERE"-fake rules in baseball. If you give someone the ultimate "[expletive] you" like Guillen did after Weaver got in his face, well, I can't help but be impressed. I love [expletive] like that.

 

He proved his point..then he opened his mouth. THAT'S WEAK. When you start an argument with the man who throws the ball..you lose. This won't be the end of it because teams remember. Guillen better have his head on a swivel, because somewhere down the line it's coming.

[CubmanPi]

The hell he was "weak." Guy talks [expletive] to you and then you crush a ball off of him (nevermind that hitting a home run off of a MLB pitcher is one of the hardest things you can do in professional sports) you SHOULD stare him down. Hop out of the box, strut down the line, moonwalk to 1B, whatever. I've never been shy about how much I can't stand the subjective "you can't show emotion HERE, but you can show emotion HERE"-fake rules in baseball. If you give someone the ultimate "[expletive] you" like Guillen did after Weaver got in his face, well, I can't help but be impressed. I love [expletive] like that.

 

He proved his point..then he opened his mouth. THAT'S WEAK. When you start an argument with the man who throws the ball..you lose. This won't be the end of it because teams remember. Guillen better have his head on a swivel, because somewhere down the line it's coming.

It's juvenile more than it's weak. What's weak is being such a hothead that someone acting like an arrogant punk can provoke such a reaction. I'm not saying Guillen doesn't deserve to get it sometime down the road, but I'm not sure how you're measuring win and lose in this argument. Guillen hit the HR, didn't break any rules, and provoked Weaver to get himself tossed one pitch later.

[TruffleShuffle]

He proved his point..then he opened his mouth. THAT'S WEAK. When you start an argument with the man who throws the ball..you lose. This won't be the end of it because teams remember. Guillen better have his head on a swivel, because somewhere down the line it's coming.

 

why does he need to have his head on a swivel? are you suggesting that he normally looks somewhere other than at the pitcher while he's in the batter's box?

[Sammy Sofa]

The hell he was "weak." Guy talks [expletive] to you and then you crush a ball off of him (nevermind that hitting a home run off of a MLB pitcher is one of the hardest things you can do in professional sports) you SHOULD stare him down. Hop out of the box, strut down the line, moonwalk to 1B, whatever. I've never been shy about how much I can't stand the subjective "you can't show emotion HERE, but you can show emotion HERE"-fake rules in baseball. If you give someone the ultimate "[expletive] you" like Guillen did after Weaver got in his face, well, I can't help but be impressed. I love [expletive] like that.

 

He proved his point..then he opened his mouth. THAT'S WEAK. When you start an argument with the man who throws the ball..you lose. This won't be the end of it because teams remember. Guillen better have his head on a swivel, because somewhere down the line it's coming.

It's juvenile more than it's weak. What's weak is being such a hothead that someone acting like an arrogant punk can provoke such a reaction. I'm not saying Guillen doesn't deserve to get it sometime down the road, but I'm not sure how you're measuring win and lose in this argument. Guillen hit the HR, didn't break any rules, and provoked Weaver to get himself tossed one pitch later.

 

Yup. Doing what Guillen did when he can count on paying for it down the line isn't "weak" at all. It's pitchers like Weaver that come across bad because they get all pissy and throw tantrums when anyone dares show them up, nevermind if he was doing something like pumping his fist and yelling "[expletive] yeah!" after getting a big strikeout nobody would do anything.

[SouthSideRyan]

Nobody in the AL Central has a pythagorean record above 500

[NCCubFan]

There were some interesting fireworks in the Cardinals-Brewers game tonight (I watched the end of it on Extra Innings following the Cubs game). Pujols was hit by a pitch, and it was obviously unintentional since it loaded the bases with nobody out. Next half inning the Cardinals' pitcher (who was apparently left in the game just for this purpose) intentionally hit Braun. Braun started after the mound but was restrained and the dugouts looked like they were ready to empty, but nothing happened. The pitcher wasn't ejected (no warnings had previously been issued) but was removed from the game anyway. Later in the game Molina went off the deep end. He was called out on strikes (it looked to me like a good call) and said something to the umpire that got him ejected. He then got in the umpire's face, bumped him at least twice, and spat in his face. He'll undoubtedly be getting some time off for bad behavior.

[Guest]

Pujols was hit by a pitch, and it was obviously unintentional since it loaded the bases with nobody out. Next half inning the Cardinals' pitcher (who was apparently left in the game just for this purpose) intentionally hit Braun.

 

I am completely shocked that Tony LaRussa would ever do something like this.

 

Oh wait, no I'm not.

 

EDIT: Just saw the highlights. I don't know how the umpire didn't warn Motte after the first time he threw at Braun and missed. I guess it didn't matter because Motte got taken out anyway after hitting Braun but still, it was pretty obvious he was throwing at him.

[TruffleShuffle]

i want to see a pitcher wind up and then throw at larussa in the dugout. what a turd.

[Guest]

LaRussa then went off on a reporter in the postgame defending Motte and said that they were just trying to pitch Braun inside. The fun starts around 25 seconds in.

 

[SouthSideRyan]

LaRussa then went off on a reporter in the postgame defending Motte and said that they were just trying to pitch Braun inside. The fun starts around 25 seconds in.

 

 

Was this before or after LaRussa said they were throwing at him and Braun should've ducked?

[javy knows my name]

LaRussa then went off on a reporter in the postgame defending Motte and said that they were just trying to pitch Braun inside. The fun starts around 25 seconds in.

 

 

Was this before or after LaRussa said they were throwing at him and Braun should've ducked?

 

During. It's all there.

[MWV]

"I don't want to hear about our tactics vs. what they did," La Russa continued. "They did not make an intentional hit, but they tried to throw the ball up and in. It's a very dangerous pitch and we almost paid a hell of a price. Just look at the location and potential danger of the two (pitches).

"That's a dangerous pitch whoever throws it."

To review, Good Baseball (Motte vs. Braun):

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=435400&game=gid_2011_08_02_slnmlb_milmlb_1&batterX=62&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

 

Dangerous Evil (Saito vs. Pujols):

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=493416&game=gid_2011_08_02_slnmlb_milmlb_1&batterX=59&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif