Carlos Pena

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, Vinestal has decided definitively that Pena sucks AND that Barney is the 2B of the future after one month. He knows things.

 

Wow you guys are awesome, this is the reason these boards are a ghost town and there are like 8 people that post here on a regular basis. I never said Barney is the 2b of the future I said I liked what I saw from him so far. Christ learn to read and stop talking for other people. If you run off everyone with an opinion sooner or later you'll be the only ones here left to listen to yours, of course that may be the way you want it and maybe its better that way.

 

Actually, you said people are "eating crow" over Barney, but I did you a favor and dressed it up a little bit.

[Hawk4Hall]

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

99 AB's, 3 HR's, .212 AVERAGE

[hawkeyecub]

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

99 AB's, 3 HR's, .212 AVERAGE

 

Did you just look at the numbers for the first time all year? It's a really odd time to say "it's starting to look like a bust".

 

Last 7 days: .381/.462/.571, 1 HR

May: .306/.435/.583, 3 HR

[sneakypower]

what a total butt

[dew1679666265]

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

99 AB's, 3 HR's, .212 AVERAGE

 

As hawkeye pointed out, Pena's been getting a lot better lately but he did start out the year poorly.

 

However, even when he is going good he's not going to be a high average guy. If you look primarily only at average, you're never going to like Pena. What he will do, however, is give you a good to very good OBP and (when he's on) a very good slugging. He's very similar to Adam Dunn in that way - low average, high OBP, high SLG, high Ks.

[Clem Fandango]

Three troofs

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

99 AB's, 3 HR's, .212 AVERAGE

But what??? [expletive], don't leave me hanging like this...

[Bluescale]

For anyone still following this thread:

 

Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

April 63 2 10 1 0 0 5 12 0 23 0 0 .159 .289 .175 .464

May 58 13 17 2 0 5 14 16 1 16 0 2 .293 .447 .586 1.033

Last 7 Days 20 6 6 1 0 2 7 6 1 4 0 1 .300 .481 .650 1.131

 

His May has been as good as his April was bad. As a Pena skeptic during the off season, I'm certainly pleased at the moment.

[jersey cubs fan]

For anyone still following this thread:

 

Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

April 63 2 10 1 0 0 5 12 0 23 0 0 .159 .289 .175 .464

May 58 13 17 2 0 5 14 16 1 16 0 2 .293 .447 .586 1.033

Last 7 Days 20 6 6 1 0 2 7 6 1 4 0 1 .300 .481 .650 1.131

 

His May has been as good as his April was bad. As a Pena skeptic during the off season, I'm certainly pleased at the moment.

 

At the moment he's got a line of .216/.359/.360, it's going to take a while to make that pleasing.

[CubColtPacer]

For anyone still following this thread:

 

Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

April 63 2 10 1 0 0 5 12 0 23 0 0 .159 .289 .175 .464

May 58 13 17 2 0 5 14 16 1 16 0 2 .293 .447 .586 1.033

Last 7 Days 20 6 6 1 0 2 7 6 1 4 0 1 .300 .481 .650 1.131

 

His May has been as good as his April was bad. As a Pena skeptic during the off season, I'm certainly pleased at the moment.

 

At the moment he's got a line of .216/.359/.360, it's going to take a while to make that pleasing.

 

For a guy like Pena not necessarily. He has the potential for wild swings in his numbers because he's so much extra base hit or bust. That's why his numbers can go up 300 points like they did in 17 days in May or go down 50 points like they did just this past weekend. Whatever swing his numbers will take, they have the potential to do it very, very quickly.

[jersey cubs fan]

For anyone still following this thread:

 

Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

April 63 2 10 1 0 0 5 12 0 23 0 0 .159 .289 .175 .464

May 58 13 17 2 0 5 14 16 1 16 0 2 .293 .447 .586 1.033

Last 7 Days 20 6 6 1 0 2 7 6 1 4 0 1 .300 .481 .650 1.131

 

His May has been as good as his April was bad. As a Pena skeptic during the off season, I'm certainly pleased at the moment.

 

At the moment he's got a line of .216/.359/.360, it's going to take a while to make that pleasing.

 

For a guy like Pena not necessarily. He has the potential for wild swings in his numbers because he's so much extra base hit or bust. That's why his numbers can go up 300 points like they did in 17 days in May or go down 50 points like they did just this past weekend. Whatever swing his numbers will take, they have the potential to do it very, very quickly.

 

"At the moment" he has a low 700 OPS. That is not pleasing. It would have to be another time and place in baseball history for such numbers out of a 1B to be pleasing.

[Derwood]

so recent improvements count as nothing because he sucked the first 3 weeks?

[CubColtPacer]

For anyone still following this thread:

 

Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

April 63 2 10 1 0 0 5 12 0 23 0 0 .159 .289 .175 .464

May 58 13 17 2 0 5 14 16 1 16 0 2 .293 .447 .586 1.033

Last 7 Days 20 6 6 1 0 2 7 6 1 4 0 1 .300 .481 .650 1.131

 

His May has been as good as his April was bad. As a Pena skeptic during the off season, I'm certainly pleased at the moment.

 

At the moment he's got a line of .216/.359/.360, it's going to take a while to make that pleasing.

 

For a guy like Pena not necessarily. He has the potential for wild swings in his numbers because he's so much extra base hit or bust. That's why his numbers can go up 300 points like they did in 17 days in May or go down 50 points like they did just this past weekend. Whatever swing his numbers will take, they have the potential to do it very, very quickly.

 

"At the moment" he has a low 700 OPS. That is not pleasing. It would have to be another time and place in baseball history for such numbers out of a 1B to be pleasing.

 

Agreed, his overall numbers are not pleasing whatsoever. He didn't say that though. He implied that he was at the moment pleased with the signing. Maybe he assumes that Pena will naturally hit more home runs in the Wrigley summer and that his numbers will continue to rise because of that (which wouldn't be a terrible assumption-fly ball hitters are naturally likely to get off to bad starts in Chicago).

[CUBZ99]

Glad to see him turning his season around. At this point, barring some remarkable run by the Cubs, I'm just hoping he can stay hot, and have some value at the trade deadline.

[jersey cubs fan]

so recent improvements count as nothing because he sucked the first 3 weeks?

 

Recent improvements count in so much as they leave his overall numbers in "really bad 1B territory". That is where we stand at present.

[Rob]

I wont fault a guy for putting up bad numbers while playing injured. Apparently goony does not feel the same.

[Bote McBoteface]

so recent improvements count as nothing because he sucked the first 3 weeks?

 

Recent improvements count in so much as they leave his overall numbers in "really bad 1B territory". That is where we stand at present.

 

 

That's just silly.

[Exile on Waveland]

so recent improvements count as nothing because he sucked the first 3 weeks?

 

Recent improvements count in so much as they leave his overall numbers in "really bad 1B territory". That is where we stand at present.

 

Pena's current OPS is good for ninth in the National League and sixteenth in the majors (one spot behind Pujols in each). I disagree that such production is "really bad 1B territory," it's more "really mediocre 1B territory."

[Bluescale]

Let me put this very simply: anyone who isn't pleased with the May Pena has had so far isn't paying attention.

 

I wasn't very happy with the signing when it happened, although I understood it. I still believe that the final results may show that the signing didn't pan out. I am skeptical of any player who swings and misses as much as Pena. Still, I'll go back to my original premiss, which is simply that May has been a good month for him so far. Would any of his detractors like to argue against that point?

Edited May 24, 2011 by Bluescale

[Shilzzz]

i enjoyed the total but comment. i hate partial buts. stagged conversations are so awkward whereas juxtaposing two statements helps context.

[davearm2]

Let me put this very simply: anyone who isn't pleased with the May Pena has had so far isn't paying attention.

 

I wasn't very happy with the signing when it happened, although I understood it. I still believe that the final results may show that the signing didn't pan out. I am skeptical of any player who swings and misses as much as Pena. Still, I'll go back to my original premiss, which is simply that May has been a good month for him so far. Would any of his detractors like to argue against that point?

I'm not a Pena detractor, although I have to admit -- the first thought that jumped to my mind is that Soriano has had several great months in his Cub career too.

[Bluescale]

Let me put this very simply: anyone who isn't pleased with the May Pena has had so far isn't paying attention.

 

I wasn't very happy with the signing when it happened, although I understood it. I still believe that the final results may show that the signing didn't pan out. I am skeptical of any player who swings and misses as much as Pena. Still, I'll go back to my original premiss, which is simply that May has been a good month for him so far. Would any of his detractors like to argue against that point?

I'm not a Pena detractor, although I have to admit -- the first thought that jumped to my mind is that Soriano has had several great months in his Cub career too.

 

The difference, of course, is that so far about 50% of Pena career as a Cub has been worth the money. Pena may turn out to be a bust, but right now he's showing signs of life. If he is a bust, at least it's only for 1 year/$10M during a rebuilding season (when the Cubs had very few other viable options to spend that money on). Soriano's 8 year/$136M is a very different story.

[Hawk4Hall]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

[dew1679666265]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

 

I'm confused about what point you're making.

[Hawk4Hall]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

 

I'm confused about what point you're making.

So am I. :(