Carlos Pena

[NCCubFan]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

 

I'm confused about what point you're making.

I think he's making fun of his earlier post:

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

[soapy]

But does he have the Derrek Lee high-butt?

[dew1679666265]

But does he have the Derrek Lee high-butt?

 

I thought about making a DLee's butt joke, but figured I wouldn't do it justice.

[dew1679666265]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

 

I'm confused about what point you're making.

I think he's making fun of his earlier post:

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

You're probably right. I was just trying to figure out if he was still calling the signing bad or just joking about his original typo.

[NCCubFan]

Well, he's earned the final T so now I'll say it right.

 

Carlos Pena is a total butt.

 

Still waiting on the bust part.

 

I'm confused about what point you're making.

I think he's making fun of his earlier post:

This signing is starting to look like a total but.

 

You're probably right. I was just trying to figure out if he was still calling the signing bad or just joking about his original typo.

Could be a bit of both.

[rocket]

i know you're not allowed to do this. but pretend april never happened, pena's line is .251/.366/.567

 

sexy

[Butterscup1679666578]

Might as well keep him around for a couple years

[rocket]

give him a blank check contract

 

#stealingyourfacebookjoke

[Butterscup1679666578]

give him a blank check contract

 

#stealingyourfacebookjoke

 

if it was deemed OK enough to steal then im ok with it

[questionmarkgrace]

i know you're not allowed to do this. but pretend april never happened, pena's line is .251/.366/.567

 

sexy

 

 

with the way he was seeing pitches, working deep into counts, and slowly starting to hit it was only a matter of time. any predictions for his final line for the year?

[davearm2]

With a blend of power and patience, Pena is singlehandedly trying to bring '08 back.

[XZero771679666304]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

[Old Style]

With a blend of power and patience, Pena is singlehandedly trying to bring '08 back.

I'd rather he bring sexy back.

[CincyCubsFan]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

 

I'd rather sign Pena to a reasonable 2-3 year deal than pay a fortune to lure Pujols to play in Chicago until his 42nd birthday.

 

On a side note, whenever Pena steps up to the plate lately, I get the same feeling that I did during Jim Edmonds' at bats in the summer of '08.

[jersey cubs fan]

With a blend of power and patience, Pena is singlehandedly trying to bring '08 back.

I'd rather he bring sexy back.

 

It's already been broughten'

[nick23]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

[apete6]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

3/30 for Pena vs. 5/100 for Fielder. Discuss.

[Guest]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

Pena has had an OBP that high twice in his career, and a SLG that high once.

[davearm2]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

3/30 for Pena vs. 5/100 for Fielder. Discuss.

Both contracts seem too low. 6/150 for Fielder and 4/50 for Pena seem more realistic.

 

In any event, Fielder is exactly twice the annual price of Pena. I'd probably take Fielder. He's younger, more productive, and a more legitimate impact bat. And I'm not a huge Fielder fan... I'm concerned he'll turn into Mo Vaughn II.

[XZero771679666304]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

3/30 for Pena vs. 5/100 for Fielder. Discuss.

Both contracts seem too low. 6/150 for Fielder and 4/50 for Pena seem more realistic.

 

In any event, Fielder is exactly twice the annual price of Pena. I'd probably take Fielder. He's younger, more productive, and a more legitimate impact bat. And I'm not a huge Fielder fan... I'm concerned he'll turn into Mo Vaughn II.

 

Pena is 33 years old and he's pretty unstable, production wise. I don't see him getting four years guaranteed unless the AAV is low enough to soften the hit if he goes in the tank.

[XZero771679666304]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

Pena has had an OBP that high twice in his career, and a SLG that high once.

 

He's also played his entire career in pitcher friendly parks. I don't think he could sustain his current pace over the next few years, but maybe for the rest of this one. The NL Central is fairly hitter friendly.

 

Though after that April that SLG might be a bit unrealistic. Maybe .520.

[Splendid Splinter]

It's really too bad Carlos isn't 4-5 years younger. I really like his approach and his attitude. His defense is none too shabby, either.

 

I predict a final line in the .240/.370/.550 range, but I pray that doesn't motivate the powers that be to try and retain him. As much as I like the guy, you have to try and deal him.

I'd gladly take that line over the next 3 years. I doubt Pujols/Fielder will be worth 12-15 million more than that.

 

3/30 for Pena vs. 5/100 for Fielder. Discuss.

Both contracts seem too low. 6/150 for Fielder and 4/50 for Pena seem more realistic.

 

In any event, Fielder is exactly twice the annual price of Pena. I'd probably take Fielder. He's younger, more productive, and a more legitimate impact bat. And I'm not a huge Fielder fan... I'm concerned he'll turn into Mo Vaughn II.

 

That's not really a bad thing though. Vaughn played til he was 35 and only sucked in his very last year. I don't know (well... can't remember) why he missed the whole season in 2001. Vaughn was really good until he was 30 then the next 3 years he declined, but he was still good enough (119/115/113 OPS+) in those years. Then he suck his last year and retired. Fielder is a more complete hitter and probably more athletic (not that it's saying something though) than Vaughn. Fielder has a better BB% rate and K% (this year he cutting it down A LOT) and has more power.

 

As long as you can sign Fielder to a 5-6 year deal, I think you're going to be fine. If it's more than 6 years though, that's where it gets tricky. I would be ok with more than 6 years if the extra years were like club/mutual options and/or he has an opt out clause before his last year or something along that line. I hope Boras will want a shorter contract so Fielder will be able to get another big contract when he's like 32 or 33. Another thing will be... how much per year is it going to take to land Fielder??? I wish Ryan Howard didn't get that STUPID 5/125 extension because I imagine that's the contract Boras is looking at for Fielder (which is too much IMO, but if I had to pick Howard or Fielder at that price... it would be Fielder easily).

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, that Howard deal really sort of [expletive] the bed for everyone. What an awful, awful contract.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, that Howard deal really sort of [expletive] the bed for everyone. What an awful, awful contract.

 

I couldn't believe the terms when I heard them. The guy isn't even top 5 at his position.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, that Howard deal really sort of [expletive] the bed for everyone. What an awful, awful contract.

 

I couldn't believe the terms when I heard them. The guy isn't even top 5 at his position.

 

Fangraphs doesn't have him top 20.

 

ETA: Quick glance shows those #s are skewed due to non-1B being lumped in because they played a few games there.

Edited June 28, 2011 by SouthSideRyan