College Basketball 2011-2012

[CubColtPacer]

Illinois was whistled for their 20th team foul down 3 with 15 minutes to play. That sent Leonard to the bench with 4, while Paul, Henry and Bertrand had 3 each, and IU was in the double bonus for the final 15 minutes of the game. I think that may have affected the game's conclusion, yes.

 

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway.

I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs.

 

From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor.

 

That isn't quite true either. Indiana turned it over twice in that stretch.

[bukie]

This is not true. Pritchard's offensive foul was on the very next IU possession. Abell missed a jumper on the possession after that. They had 2 scores than Oladipo got called for travelling. Then IU had a stretch where that was true but it was shorter and later in the game than what you said(8:56 to 4:17 which was a total of 8 possessions).

 

Sorry, from the Abell missed jumper at 11:16 to the Zeller missed layup at 4:17, IU converted a 3, layup, or FT on 10 of 11 possessions mostly with Leonard on the bench.

[rawaction]

Illinois was whistled for their 20th team foul down 3 with 15 minutes to play. That sent Leonard to the bench with 4, while Paul, Henry and Bertrand had 3 each, and IU was in the double bonus for the final 15 minutes of the game. I think that may have affected the game's conclusion, yes.

 

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway.

I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs.

 

From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor.

 

That isn't quite true either. Indiana turned it over twice in that stretch.

 

Sorry, wasn't really counting those as possessions. Was counting possessions as getting shots.

[Magnetic Curses]

Illinois got away with plenty of crap tonight. I don't want to hear it.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year.

 

How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that.

 

Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo.

 

brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak.

 

it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost.

 

the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that.

[rawaction]

Oh and FYI, Leonard sat for less than 5 minutes....not 8 as previously reported. Left the game at 12:29, came back in at 7:44. Illinois immediately cut the lead to 6 when he came back in the game. So, even without those 2 points 13 seconds into his time back on the court, Illinois only lost 5 points and still had plenty of time to comeback, though admittedly, Leonard definitely couldn't be aggressive with 4 fouls. However, with Leonard, they had the ability to get Zeller his 4th and completely tip the scales back in their favor.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Illinois was robbed of a fair game. Sorry IU fans.

 

Even if I give you that point....Illinois still would have lost what you consider a fair game because they didn't stop the dribble drive. Maybe that's too big of an assumption to make, but I don't see that as that big of a limb for me to be out on.

 

 

Illinois very well may have lost, but it wasn't a well officiated game.

 

cripes, the Gophers took WI to OT and couldnt beat them tonight in the Barn. I'm not upset over Illinois loosing, but its hard to say "we would have beaten you fair and square" when fair and square never entered the picture.

[rawaction]

Illinois got away with plenty of crap tonight. I don't want to hear it.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year.

 

How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that.

 

Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo.

 

brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak.

 

it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost.

 

the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that.

 

Really? How can you honestly say that? You guys shot 21 3s! And again, not only did IU have 14 layups, but they also missed 7-8 by my count. And the biggest play of the game was a drive/dish to Watford for a 3. Oladipo scored 18 points, all on drives to the basket.

[Magnetic Curses]

Illinois was whistled for their 20th team foul down 3 with 15 minutes to play. That sent Leonard to the bench with 4, while Paul, Henry and Bertrand had 3 each, and IU was in the double bonus for the final 15 minutes of the game. I think that may have affected the game's conclusion, yes.

 

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway.

I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs.

 

From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor.

 

illinois had little chance keeping up with iu offensively in the second half because of your puke refs called fouls on the possessions that iu didn't make a field goal.

 

it was an ungentlemanly display of sportsmanship by the refs. again, i demand that they kill themselves immediately.

[rawaction]

Illinois was robbed of a fair game. Sorry IU fans.

 

Even if I give you that point....Illinois still would have lost what you consider a fair game because they didn't stop the dribble drive. Maybe that's too big of an assumption to make, but I don't see that as that big of a limb for me to be out on.

 

 

Illinois very well may have lost, but it wasn't a well officiated game.

 

cripes, the Gophers took WI to OT and couldnt beat them tonight in the Barn. I'm not upset over Illinois loosing, but its hard to say "we would have beaten you fair and square" when fair and square never entered the picture.

 

I never said it was a well-officiated game. Never seen a Big Ten game that was. But it wasn't near the embarrassment to officiating like you guys are making it out to be.

[rawaction]

Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

[bukie]

Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

I assume that every post from illiniguy and sulley is unnecessary and flippant hyperbole.

[Magnetic Curses]

Illinois got away with plenty of crap tonight. I don't want to hear it.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year.

 

How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that.

 

Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo.

 

brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak.

 

it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost.

 

the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that.

 

Really? How can you honestly say that? You guys shot 21 3s! And again, not only did IU have 14 layups, but they also missed 7-8 by my count. And the biggest play of the game was a drive/dish to Watford for a 3. Oladipo scored 18 points, all on drives to the basket.

 

5 of those 3s came in the last 5 minutes after the damage was done. 16 3's is not a significant amount.

 

the Illini made 12 layups and missed 10 more. i'm guess they missed so many because iu was so great at not fouling them

Edited February 10, 2012 by Stannis

[Exile on Waveland]

Hobgoblins.

[Magnetic Curses]

Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

 

you are unnecessary and flippant, now go tell your referee friends that they have 2 hours to kill themselves

[Magnetic Curses]

Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

I assume that every post from illiniguy and sulley is unnecessary and flippant hyperbole.

 

i am in a class of my own, thank you

[Magnetic Curses]

illinois has been getting fucked all year by the refs so it's not a surprise, really.

[Magnetic Curses]

this is when bruce needs to start calling out the refs in the media. it was the most ridiculous game i've ever seen and it bears calling attention to.

[Magnetic Curses]

i guess weber called the officiating a travesty. first time i've agreed with him in a long time.

[UMFan83]

Kind of excited to see NW improve to 15-8 (5-6). It's still a longshot but they are in a much better position for the NCAAs then they were 2 weeks ago. With their SOS and RPI, they might be in this until selection Sunday.

 

Cheering for them in every non-Michigan game the rest of the way.

[illiniguy]

Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

I assume that every post from illiniguy and sulley is unnecessary and flippant hyperbole.

Oh it is, but for the love of all things holy anyone who didnt think that was a travesty deserves nothing but hyperbole. This coming from a guy who kind of wants us to lose out to ensure we have a new coach.

Edited February 10, 2012 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

In the last 7 games, Sammy Ice's numbers

 

139 minutes

0-13 from 3

1-16 from the filed

3 points

:shock:

 

I don't care if Myke Henry guards worse than a handicapped person, Sam is terrible. Oh and he can't guard anyone either. He is exactly as bad as I thought he would be. Even though many tried to assure me he did ok in the MVC. I know he was ok then, but he's been hurt badly since that point. He's not that player at all anymore and that player wasn't good enough to sniff the Big Ten. He is the reason this season fell apart, his return guaranteed the end of Weber.

[Bruno7481]

My thoughts on the game as I try to wake myself up and get motivated to teach after a late night.

 

1. Good atmosphere at the game. It was quite loud at times, the students were all over Weber during the time outs. A smattering of Orange throughout the building, but not too much.

 

2. Leonard had a great first half, very happy that this might be the last time he ever plays against IU. I can see how some have issues with the way he handles himself. I'm not knocking the kid, but during one time out he basically walked his way back to the Illinois huddle from 3/4 court away. Weber just stood there and waited for him like an impatient father. Leonard walked by without even giving him a glance.

 

3. Yes, there were a lot of fouls called. Some from my awful seats looked like bad calls. Illinois did get a bit hacky with their defense at times. I really didn't think the majority were bad calls though.

 

4. Indiana was able to drive at will, not sure if that has been an issue with the Illini defense all year or not.

 

5. Was talking with an Illinois fan on the way out and he said over and over that when the Illini are supposed to be good, they struggle. When there are low expectations, they tend to overachieve. Not sure if that is a common theme among you guys or not.

 

6. I'm not going to make any idiotic "IU is back" statements. They are on their way though. This team is a year ahead of schedule and that is nice to see. It is always nice to beat Illinois too, I know you all feel the same about IU.

 

Ok, time to teach...

[SouthSideRyan]

Hmmm 7:00, I'm not sure I'll be able to get drunk enough to not care about this.

 

I was wrong.

[Derwood]

So, to summarize: Illini fans are crying about the officiating in a loss, while also hoping they lose every game so Weber gets fired

[SouthSideRyan]

IU deserved some sort of free throw disparity. They drove into the lane much more consistently than Illinois did. And when Illinois threw it into the post, Indiana didn't challenge it very much which is part of the reason Leonard shot such a good percentage. Did they deserve a 27 free throw disparity? I don't know. It's certainly not been something that's been consistent with IU all Big 10 play. They've had some games where they've had a big free throw edge and others where they had a big deficit.

 

Good win for IU. Hopefully they can beat Northwestern and split their road games and their other two road games to go 10-8 in conference. That would be a victory for this team.

 

Maybe you should've rewound the DVR to make sure each foul was legit.