Gorzelanny to Nationals

[dew1679666265]

Can't believe some of the love Gorzelanny is getting around here...he's really not that good. He gives up over a hit/inning and walks boat loads.

 

Gimme the trade

 

Like Electron Blue said, there really hasn't been any complaints about the trade. As for Gorz himself, the interest in him is that he's kinda young (28), cheap and had really good minor league numbers. His 9 K/9 last year was a positive as well. He's probably not more than an inconsistent mid-back rotation guy, but he can be pretty serviceable while he's cheap. You don't want to give that up for nothing, but this was a really good trade.

 

Here's an interesting article on Gorz from FanGraphs.

[Cubswin11]

Where will Burgess' start the year? High A or AA? Also do any of these guys take up a spot(s) on the 40-man? Solid trade :good:

[RammyFanny]

More people saying that Burgess is included in the deal.

 

http://natsinsider.blogspot.com/

Reading the comments section is interesting. Alot are really pissed about losing Morris, and even said they hoped it wasn't him before they knew who was involved.

This is going to come back and haunt Nats Nation within 2 years. A.J. Morris was the second best pitching prospect I've seen in 3 years of watching Fall Instructional League. You don't have to be very baseball knowledgeable to know who was #1.

This is the first thing Rizzo's done to really tick me off.

 

As it turns out, it is Morris. And the rest of my discontent with this move is on the other site. I've supported Rizzo all this off season. Now I'm just pissed off.

 

Jeeves, Rizzo was so desperate to make a trade for a pitcher that he was willing to give away a guy like Morris.

 

Morris has a ++ Slider, a + fastball 93 - 94, and was working on a changeup in Fall League, plus his command had greatly improved. He is ready now and I wouldn't be suprised to see him with the Cubs this season.

I think a good chunk of those was from a big Morris fanboy, but still nice to read.

[Outshined_One]

Where will Burgess' start the year? High A or AA? Also do any of these guys take up a spot(s) on the 40-man? Solid trade :good:

 

Burgess likely gets to start off the year at AA. Holy hell I just realized that roster will be loaded. I'm thinking it'll look something like this:

 

C Michael Brenly

1B Rebel Ridling

2B Ryan Flaherty

SS DJ LeMahieu/Junior Lake

3B Josh Vitters

RF Michael Burgess

CF Brett Jackson

LF Matthew Spencer

 

SP Trey McNutt

SP Chris Carpenter

SP Brooks Raley

SP Dae-Eun Rhee

SP Alberto Cabrera

 

Solid team, overall. A million things could change between now and the start of the season, but I like the makeup of it on paper.

[UMFan83]

Burgess was a 1st round sandwhich pick for the Nats in the 2007 draft. Was this the draft pick we gave the Nats for signing Soriano?

 

 

Edit: Nevermind, I just looked it up. Burgess' pick was given to the Nats for losing Jose Guillen. Soriano's compensation pick was the first pick of the supplemental round, 31st overall.

[Little Slide Rooter]

This is going to come back and haunt Nats Nation within 2 years. A.J. Morris was the second best pitching prospect I've seen in 3 years of watching Fall Instructional League. You don't have to be very baseball knowledgeable to know who was #1.

 

yeah, I hear all 3 of them are pretty pissed.

 

I do like the move alot. Nothing against Gorz, but with Z, Garza, Demp, and Wells, we have a solid 1-4, and with Cashner, Silva, Jax, Carpenter, Coleman, Diamond, and for some odd reason, Russell, we have more than enough candidates for the 5 spot. The fact that we got 2 seemingly solid prospects for him is gravy.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is going to come back and haunt Nats Nation within 2 years. A.J. Morris was the second best pitching prospect I've seen in 3 years of watching Fall Instructional League. You don't have to be very baseball knowledgeable to know who was #1.

 

yeah, I hear all 3 of them are pretty pissed.

 

You're such an anus.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I like Burgess a lot. If we were going to trade Gorzelanny, which was a given, getting Burgess is a good player to get back.

[pitchcs]

Can't believe some of the love Gorzelanny is getting around here...he's really not that good. He gives up over a hit/inning and walks boat loads.

 

Gimme the trade

 

Like Electron Blue said, there really hasn't been any complaints about the trade. As for Gorz himself, the interest in him is that he's kinda young (28), cheap and had really good minor league numbers. His 9 K/9 last year was a positive as well. He's probably not more than an inconsistent mid-back rotation guy, but he can be pretty serviceable while he's cheap. You don't want to give that up for nothing, but this was a really good trade.

 

Here's an interesting article on Gorz from FanGraphs.

 

 

After looking back, you're right...I read the thread after already knowing who was included -- I just don't see much value in Gorzelanny anyways I guess. I know he was decent and cheap last year but I've just seen him pitch so much with Pittsburgh and here that I'm not impressed. Although no facts to back this up, it seems he's super inconsistent from one start to the next and he would certainly be a guy we'd be saying "The Cubs need to beat" if facing him. I'm pretty happy we got anything of much value honestly.

 

Off to bed, I'll read your linked article tomorrow

[Little Slide Rooter]

This is going to come back and haunt Nats Nation within 2 years. A.J. Morris was the second best pitching prospect I've seen in 3 years of watching Fall Instructional League. You don't have to be very baseball knowledgeable to know who was #1.

 

yeah, I hear all 3 of them are pretty pissed.

 

You're such an anus.

 

death, taxes, and unprovoked N&G attacks.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can't believe some of the love Gorzelanny is getting around here...he's really not that good. He gives up over a hit/inning and walks boat loads.

 

Gimme the trade

 

Like Electron Blue said, there really hasn't been any complaints about the trade. As for Gorz himself, the interest in him is that he's kinda young (28), cheap and had really good minor league numbers. His 9 K/9 last year was a positive as well. He's probably not more than an inconsistent mid-back rotation guy, but he can be pretty serviceable while he's cheap. You don't want to give that up for nothing, but this was a really good trade.

 

Here's an interesting article on Gorz from FanGraphs.

 

 

After looking back, you're right...I read the thread after already knowing who was included --

I just don't see much value in Gorzelanny anyways I guess.

I know he was decent and cheap last year but I've just seen him pitch so much with Pittsburgh and here that I'm not impressed. Although no facts to back this up, it seems he's super inconsistent from one start to the next and he would certainly be a guy we'd be saying "The Cubs need to beat" if facing him. I'm pretty happy we got anything of much value honestly.

 

Off to bed, I'll read your linked article tomorrow

 

Keep in mind that this is a team that would otherwise start the season with a front of the rotation featuring Jason Marquis, Livan Hernandez, and John Lannan. Heck, Gorz could end up their ace, at least until Strasburg is done buying some lucky doctor a fleet of yacts.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is going to come back and haunt Nats Nation within 2 years. A.J. Morris was the second best pitching prospect I've seen in 3 years of watching Fall Instructional League. You don't have to be very baseball knowledgeable to know who was #1.

 

yeah, I hear all 3 of them are pretty pissed.

 

You're such an anus.

 

death, taxes, and unprovoked N&G attacks.

 

Oh, that was very provoked. I know you're still pissed over the Cubs signing Punto, but don't take it out on Nats fans like a bitch.

 

And what exactly do you think Strasburg needs to have done?

[Rob]

The more I'm reading about Morris, the more impressed I am. He may be able to step into a setup role at some point.

 

Hicks is the Jim Hendry special. Let's just hope he grows into the projection Hendry and company see. He's had a pretty solid track record with getting something for nothing with these young, raw guys.

[Lefty]

So ignoring the always iffy proposition of adding a back of the rotation arm from the remainder of the free agent class, who are the arms that realistically battle it out for the 5 spot, and in what order do we perceive their potential to earn that spot?

 

Silva- final year of a big contract, but health issues

Cashner- A bit of a boost being a lefty in a rotation that is all righties

Russell-Another lefty in a semi-crowded bullpen

Samardjiza

Carpenter

Jay Jackson

 

...And Thomas Diamond.

 

Diamond will never be anything for us.

[dew1679666265]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

Probably not, but if you're going to include Shark in the list, you have to include Diamond. He could well get some starts this year to fill for injuries.

[videographer]

Here is BA's take on Graham Hicks from the 2008 draft:

 

Lefthander Graham Hicks significantly improved his draft stock with an impressive performance at the Florida high school all-star game. Hicks showed a fastball up to 92 mph and plus pitchability with his curveball and changeup as well. All three are average pitches at worst with potential to improve. Hicks is a projectable 6-foot-5, 170 pounds with room to add strength and velocity to his fastball.

 

He was a 4th round pick and received $475,000 to sign.

[shnsajax]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

Probably not, but if you're going to include Shark in the list, you have to include Diamond. He could well get some starts this year to fill for injuries.

 

At what point does Shark not make a run for the NFL?

[davell]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

Probably not, but if you're going to include Shark in the list, you have to include Diamond. He could well get some starts this year to fill for injuries.

 

At what point does Shark not make a run for the NFL?

 

 

This is his last year under contract, so if he doesn't make it happen this year in baseball, my guess is he'd make an attempt at the NFl next year.

[Guest]

Where will Burgess' start the year? High A or AA? Also do any of these guys take up a spot(s) on the 40-man? Solid trade :good:

 

Burgess likely gets to start off the year at AA. Holy hell I just realized that roster will be loaded. I'm thinking it'll look something like this:

 

C Michael Brenly

1B Rebel Ridling

2B Ryan Flaherty

SS DJ LeMahieu/Junior Lake

3B Josh Vitters

RF Michael Burgess

CF Brett Jackson

LF Matthew Spencer

 

SP Trey McNutt

SP Chris Carpenter

SP Brooks Raley

SP Dae-Eun Rhee

SP Alberto Cabrera

 

Solid team, overall. A million things could change between now and the start of the season, but I like the makeup of it on paper.

 

Don't forget Dolis and Rusin as rotational candidates (yeah, Dolis has a chance at the pen). I imagine Carpenter will start the year at AAA.

[Guest]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

I don't see much to get excited about looking up Coleman's minor league history. What is it that projects him to be a major league starter?

[davell]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

I don't see much to get excited about looking up Coleman's minor league history. What is it that projects him to be a major league starter?

 

 

Bloodlines for one. His dad and grandfather were both major league pitchers. He's also got good control and knows how to pitch with what he has. His repertoire isn't anything special by any stretch and he doesn't even hit 90 all that often(probably rarely actually). His best pitch is his changeup, but he also throws a cutter and a sinker. He's also got very solid mechanics. He tends to get a little too fine with some of his pitches, which can lead to trouble, but he knows the little things that most guys his age don't.

 

He's not all that talented, but he is a decent athlete and while I definitely don't see him as a starter for the Cubs, he could be the swingman possibly. But, I think he's probably a guy that eventually gets included in a trade to a small market team, where he'll be OK as a back end starter.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

I don't see much to get excited about looking up Coleman's minor league history. What is it that projects him to be a major league starter?

 

 

Bloodlines for one. His dad and grandfather were both major league pitchers. He's also got good control and knows how to pitch with what he has. His repertoire isn't anything special by any stretch and he doesn't even hit 90 all that often(probably rarely actually). His best pitch is his changeup, but he also throws a cutter and a sinker. He's also got very solid mechanics. He tends to get a little too fine with some of his pitches, which can lead to trouble, but he knows the little things that most guys his age don't.

 

He's not all that talented, but he is a decent athlete and while I definitely don't see him as a starter for the Cubs, he could be the swingman possibly. But, I think he's probably a guy that eventually gets included in a trade to a small market team, where he'll be OK as a back end starter.

 

I dont think this matters much but he can also handle the bat exceptionally well for a pitcher.

[NewUserName]

Diamond will never be anything for us.

 

Probably not, but if you're going to include Shark in the list, you have to include Diamond. He could well get some starts this year to fill for injuries.

 

At what point does Shark not make a run for the NFL?

 

 

This is his last year under contract, so if he doesn't make it happen this year in baseball, my guess is he'd make an attempt at the NFl next year.

 

I think not playing competitive fb in over 4 yrs makes his making the NFL a real long shot at this point....of course I could be wrong

[hardcorecubfan]

can someone explain why we then signed a 1 year deal with Gorz, if we are going to trade him. Is it because we needed to own him before trading him??